TomYam

Much how I feel.

You're right, of course, but you could canvas fans' opinions based on a very simple poll such as: Choose one, would you prefer to: A. Stay at St.James's Park permanently - renovated and with a small increase in capacity. B. Move to a new stadium at either Castle Leazes or the Arena site with a 70,000+ capacity.

Brought back memories of 3-2 FA Cup comeback wins for Cov, eh Leffe?

Great game and brilliant and fully merited for Cov. A final against the Sky Blues is still on!

Nothing against Wolves, but I'm dreaming of a Cov v Toon final - so come on the Sky Blues!

You're right. It's an obvious choice as the land is a blank space and those that don't wish to move can be reconciled with this tiny migration northwestward.

Just don't be blaming the players, the management or ownership. Blame the Sky 3 redtops and the administrators who are in their pocket.

Yes it is. Keep banging that drum, but still try to enjoy what life has to offer.

Hmm. John Hall never identified a thing in his life except for the principles of Thatcherism. His 'advisors' suggested he focus on Castle Leazes - just as they suggested he buy Newcastle rather than Sunderland.

Interesting point about the Freemen's potential loss of income - not thought about that or any consequences. I seem to remember there were some 'issues' between the council and NUFC in the '60s, '70s and '80s. Would need to delve into the history books to recall...

Pandon Burn ran along the route of Claremont Road to south of St Thomas Church and then shifted due east along Vine Lane (then regarded as beautiful but now rather less so) until it reached where the central motorway is now and then followed that path to the mouth of the Tyne at Pandon (just beyond the old city wall and near the Law Courts and Broad Chare). Pandon Dene - as shown in your photo - was the name given to the strech from Vine Lane to The Tyne. It was regarded as the most beautiful spot in the Tyneside area, a winding lane through gentle hills with orchards, pastures, watermills and a lovely bucolic air. Unfortunately, industrialisation, freight trains and back-to-back housing silenced the birdsong. The destruction of Pandon Dene began in the 1850s (by the quayside) and by the 1890s there was essentially nothing left. All done in the name of progress. The Town Moor has neither the beauty or diversity that Pandon Dene had, but it is still a hugely important green space in our city. Make it more environmentally friendly, bring life to it - but it should never be built on. Castle Leazes is different as it's somewhat detached and lends itself as an obvious park entrance for Spital Tongues and as an extension of Leazes Park. A new stadium in the south west corner of Castle Leazes would be a short move northward of a few hundred yards and the park could be massively extended and enhanced. Win Win!

Uniqueness is the very best reason for keeping it. It makes Newcastle quite distinct from other places. What next - do you want the local accent Thames Valleyfied or Grey Street straightened or The historic Guildhall turned into an American restaurant chain?

The Town Moor is, by and large, an empty if unique space. Nowhere else quite like it, for better or worse. If a new stadium is built on Castle Leazes, I'd like to see the remaining moorland there converted into parkland as a northwesterly extension of Leazes Park. A Leazes Park extending from Strawberry Place to Belle Grove Terrace in Spital Tongues (developed and maintained by NUFC) would be a massive civic enhancement. The remainder of The Town Moor can be left as is.

The club needs to massively build revenue streams in order to bridge the chasmic gap that has developed between us and the Cartel 5 (+ ManC). We have started the process but need to do so much more and an upgraded St.James's won't achieve that.

Funny how at the end of the clip he berates Luke Edwards for messing up details in an article which he then messes up himself.

Remarkable that some thinknyhere would be no other development around the site. The land between Skinnerburn and Scotswood Roads is ideal because, if developed holistically, could not only supercharge the football club but transform that area. It's a peripheral no-go area at the moment, but could be quite the opposite once developed.

Top 5 all London clubs. How times have changed.

He's having to move quickly before his grifting brexity pals are voted out of office.

Or we could buy the Spurs stadium, build a supersonic HS9 rail line, leave Central Station at 2.15pm and rock up at Seven Sisters Road well in time for kick-off at 3.

The discussion is now moving away from 'what is the city centre?' to 'what makes a city a city?' ? I've stated several times on this forum that I've long believed the arena site is ideal for a new stadium. Location, setting, rail and metro connectivity, plenty of additional land surely available for training pitches, hospitality, residential - tick tick tick tick. One or two people have made reference that no one goes to that end of town and there are only industrial units there? So? Canary Wharf was a swamp 30 years ago. An A-grade 70,000 stadium would attract other businesses like Boris Johnson to a fridge. That part of town would be transformed - and that would easily outweigh any drop off in business around the Haymarket area imo. It's all just pontification for now but, as a couple of members have stated, the club does need a new stadium (in the city centre) in order to transform into one of the elite.

Cum omni verbo assentior.

? I was thinking of a westward line to somewhere like Westerhope (as an alternative to a westerly metro extension from St.James's). Not a cat in hell's chance, of course, which is why I said 'in an ideal world'.

Yes. In an ideal world it could be a light rail extension to the transport infrastructure. It could also be a pedestrian and cycle route.

Cox didn't hang around long after promotion when he realised investment would be limited and difficult. The board had a number of directors who refused to put a single penny into the club - like McKenzie and Dixon. Dixon, the largest (inherited) shareholder, didn't even like football. Chris Waddle handing in a transfer request before season end was a hammer blow and was far less likely to have occurred had Cox remained manager.