TheBrownBottle

Yeah, they’ve defended well - I just think we’ve been a little over-intricate at times

Other than Murphy our forwards and midfielders seem to want several more touches than necessary rather than having a shot, and Wolves get their chance to close

Definitely - we’re just over hitting it a bit. I’m sure we’ll find our range at some point.

Pardew still loves us, it’s true

Some heavy passes so far

Yep, two sloppy passes to the opposition so far. He isn’t too bad on the ball, but it is something he could do with cutting out from his game.

Oof fell asleep there

Murphy needs to do better there like

Didn’t know that was his first name

Sometimes the PL international feed is a blessing - I don’t have to listen to Hoddle

You’re probably right, though I’m 42 and had a ST from 89 onwards and that era for me was the ultimate case of footballing blue-balls; a failure with some fun moments, but more than anything proof of what we could be even if we didn’t maximise what we could be (the Halls and Shepherds were self-serving). All fart and nee shite.

I agree, but football is going to remain a financial regsathon, unfortunately. That’s unlikely to ever change.

The difference is that Spurs don’t actually spend what they could spend. No-one had said that the aim is to be like Spurs at any point. Spurs’ income increases are incredible; but they have a miserly ownership. Spurs’ ownership are like what we were under Ashley, had Ashley been competent. We can’t compete with the top clubs long term without serious revenue increases - our players will be picked off one by one. We should want to be competitive on a sustainable basis. I’ve zero sentiment for the current SJP, which to me always represented curtailed ambition and a previous ownership’s ability to award its other companies construction contracts. I don’t doubt those who do not wish to leave will be persuaded to leave, but they should not pretend that staying makes no difference to future ambitions. And personally I’m sick to fucking death of the club not being all it could be.

The bit that I scratch my head about is when this sentimentality re SJP started in the fan base. Because it wasn’t there in 1996/97 - the support was pretty unified in wanting a move for the betterment of the club. The problem is that the claims that we’d be able to compete long-term staying where we are, are not then followed-up with anything tangible. And the drawbacks of the move aren’t clear either - if the move was to Castle Leazes, what drawbacks are there?

If the aim is the odd season of unsustainable success then you’re right - but Forest will not maintain their current position.

The problem is that the graph is misleading - a stadium’a revenue isn’t simply matchday revenue. The likes of Arsenal and Spurs have significant proportions of their commercial income linked to the stadium (sponsorship, corporate, merchandise). These revenues are not included in ‘matchday revenue’.

There’s no rational reason for supporters to know this stuff - the media really should, and it shows how poorly served the sport is by the press (of which it has lots of people living off the back of it). They continue to link us to players and never explain properly to supporters what the position is. I wonder if they should start mentioning this stuff whenever a player signs a new deal, which might help. For example, when Joelinton signed a new deal last season, it would have reduced his PSR amortised transfer fee book value from c.£8m to £2m per season - which is a canny reduction in the burden. Those supporters who wanted to know would quickly get the hang of it.

Just to add to 80’s excellent summation and to point out how crackers it gets, if you’ve bought a player for a fee they will always have an amortised book value. So if you take Lascelles who was signed 11 years ago for about £3.5m (from memory we paid £7m for him and Darlow), his fee will have been further divided or amortised with each new contract. So Lascelles’ transfer from more than a decade ago will still have a PSR burden (though at this point it will be negligible - and amortisation across a new contract is still capped at five years, minus the ‘book value’ already deducted in the previous contract period). This is why academy products are so valuable from a selling perspective, and why buying at high fees is so risky - the player will always have a book value as long as they’re at the club.

He did his job and helped us stay up. With Isak and a fit Wilson he was absolutely surplus to requirements, and PSR means we couldn’t leave him as third choice. Always appeared to be a good pro, and a decent bloke, so good luck to him - but I don’t look enviously Forest’s way.

Gateshead really should move into a proper football ground at some point

Pretty much - another boyhood Evertonian

Boyhood Evertonian. It was the least successful Liverpool side of the past 60 years he was a part of, so I can understand if there’s not a huge amount of sentimental feelings towards him.

We should not play more often

In all honesty the league is so tight that feels like a better result - Bournemouth are more likely to fall away of course

Free header in the six yard box, Sels looking exactly as he did for us there