TheBrownBottle

Normally the keeper is not included in the ‘last man’ conversation - for an example, see Cieran Clark’s sending off vs Norwich last season. The last outfield defender is the last man, as normally the keeper still needs to be beaten. But Pope was beaten and committed a deliberate handball to prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity - there being another defender between the attacker and the goal isn’t relevant in those circumstances

‘Loris, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?’ ‘No, but I played for Besiktas …’

I’m absolutely onboard the Karius bus here now. The name ‘Jak Alnwick’ is not to be mentioned on here, like a damnatio memoriae

Fucking hell

Do remember the ‘You’re the Ref!’ strips from comics and newspapers? Some of the lads on here would give some cracking answers

Football history has its examples of these stories coming good - Nigel Spink in the ‘82 European Cup Final (his second professional game) being probably the most notable. Hope springs eternal folks

No, the defender being between you and the goal relies on the defender being considered ‘last man’. Again, ‘last man’ means the last outfield player - the goalkeeper is normally considered a given. That is how a foul by the last defender with only the keeper to beat is a red card offence.

Is ‘fog man back’ an option?

Honestly, I can’t get onboard the accidental handling train with some of you but I feel your pain - I know why folks want it to be true

Between us, we’ve answered your original question

It can, though if it’s viewed as frivolous they’ll no doubt fast track it. And I reckon it would be

I’ve just had an avacado as part of my breakfast, but I did have it with a cup of tea and scratched my knackers several times while the kettle boiled which made sure I stayed true to my working class roots

Don’t worry about it mate - it was the lack of context that was startling as much as anything else. It can be hard, but I’d advise an ‘ignore wankers’ rule - and that’s all they are.

I wasn’t delivered by him, but I’m sure he came charging into the maternity ward ready to clean my face with a wet sponge immediately after I was born

Not for me - his sweeping up allows us to play a high-line, high-press game. Yes, he was caught out today - but it’s been key to our results this season

That’s intentional by definition

It’s worth the gamble of appealing as its almost zero-risk, but the notion that it isn’t a goal scoring opportunity as Pope isn’t last man is hilarious - the goalkeeper doesn’t usually count in ‘last man’ arguments re red cards (the ‘last man’ usually being the last outfield player). It’s a deliberate handball by a keeper to prevent a goal scoring opportunity. If that’s not a red card, then I’m looking forward to the chaos that will ensue for the rest of the season as keepers run out of their box with a minute to go and pluck a bouncing ball out of the air for the inevitable booking

I think you need to shout all of this out loud at Central Station. Preferably drunk and slurring. That’ll show the bassers.

I hope Eddie uses that argument. It’s patently wrong, but someone might fall for it

He’s the keeper. It’s pretty hard to argue that if Salah gets that ball he doesn’t have a goal scoring opportunity - he’s got an open goal in front of him

It is if it prevents a goalscoring opportunity

Haha gan on Eddie He wasn’t last man, but it was deliberate handball to prevent a goal scoring opportunity. Shy bairns get nowt, though

Yes, that was really upsetting seeing them, poor souls