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I agree, be patient and let the system collapse on itself.

We cant sell ourselves something we dont own. We collect the revenues but we dont own the Stack unfortunately.

Only problem would be that the club would have to buy the stack from it’s current owners first😂 I dont know why you and others think the club own the Stack.

They wanted 40 before, surely now they want 50.

Correct PSR and APT are probably gonna stick around somehow, even if Man City wins. The club needs to be smart, and we fans just gotta chill.

We were told by Wor Mandy in her very 1st interview that our aim is to be number 1 in 5 to 10 years. We are in year 4. So there is still time and a pragmatic approach is reasonable if you look back on those 4 years. I believe we are improving year on year in our revenue and success as a club. Because of this, I think they know what they doing and that number 1 will be achieved by year 10 imo, if you look at the trajectory of the club right now. From a fan perspective it is frustrating but from a business point of view it makes absolutely perfect sense, and the proof is in the pudding. Our revenue keeps growing hence our brand keeps growing as well. So am sure they know what they are doing.

I agree to an extent; because what you are suggesting is highly suspicious. The pple behind APT aren't mugs. These rules favour the cartel. Thats why I say the noises from the club on this, is to wait. Am pretty sure they would have weighed up you suggestion and decided not to push through with it (if we have thought it am sure they have)

They still fall under fair market Value. For an example spurs get 20 million for both training ground and kit sponsor, we will likely be approved half that or a third. We qualify again next season for the CL, do you think they will make it easy for us to renegotiate? From a business perspective will it not be better to wait till our value goes up. Its what the club has communicated to us fans. So I would say they obviously know the constraints involved, and have made a decision to wait. I will not be critical of that personal but I do understand why most would be. Remember good business coupled with ambition leads to sustainable success like Man City. Ambition without good business sense leads to Man Utd.

Thats the thing init. Spurs training ground and kit is 20 million a year. We would probably be allowed half that. As Eales and Silverstone said, we shouldn't undersell ourselves atm by rushing into sponsorship deals. We should grow our brand and then sell ourselves when the brand is at its peak. From a fan perspective we will say let take 10 million now and re negotiate later as the brand grows. From a business perspective that makes no sense whatsoever.

The Club, from Eales to Silverstone have told fans the club's position on this already.

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

Alright fair play. However think about it like this. We went from being relegation fodder to playing in the Champions League in just two years. Then, we finished 7th and 5th, and even won a trophy, all while following the rules. We're so close to being a top team consistently challenging for the PL etc. A stone throws away. If APT wasn't a thing, wouldn't we be even further ahead? Considering where we are now with APT? That's the main point I'm trying to make, but I know it's all if and maybes as you said.

Yeah, it's true, being a one-club city with crazy fans, a huge stadium, and so much potential helped too. They've already spent a ton on Newcastle. We went from almost getting relegated to the Champions League in just two years! And that's even with some obstacles. Can you imagine if there weren't any of those financial rules and obstacles? We don't need Chelsea's 2 billion spend on players, but even a quarter of that, and we'd probably be in the top three, competing for the title. Thats why I disagree with what the others were saying earlier on.

You read or saw Mandy's reaction back then, yeah? She completely lost it with the cartel. It's clear that was the plan, right? If APT wasn't a thing, we could've had a front shirt sponsor worth a hundred million, which would've sorted our PSR situation. PSR's not the real problem, it's APT, and I reckon that's why City's taking the PL to court. We'd have been able to get the players we needed then, 'cause we'd have had loads of room. PIF are totally up for splashing the cash on us. You can see what the club's saying too. "We'll spend as much as we can to the limit." We did that, and then some. Maybe they figured if you break the PSR, you just get a fine like what Uefa does, when Everton and Forest got points taken off. Eales even said "the rules have teeth" after that, we're being more careful. Its absolutely wrong to say they never really wanted to splash the cash. In my opinion that is.

I don't really think that's the whole truth. Yeah, PSR was a thing, but fair market value wasn't. APT, you know, Associated Party Transactions, that came in later. That's why Mandy went nuts on the Cartel. They thought they could get around PSR with massive sponsorship deals. I reckon it's wrong to say anything different.

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Do we own car parks in central London, do we own hotels in central london? we dont own our stadium and our womens team value is low. What else can we sell for a price that will impact positively on our PSR? The most valuable things I.e womens team is not that valuable at the moment. What other options do you know? You might not want to admit it, but our Club at the moment is in transition, and the value of our assests are not at the level of Chelsea. To be honest. You come across as an ultracrepidarian. I think thats why you vary and broaden your argument to a point where it doesn't make sense, ie you begin to waffle. Like I said, the club should wait to see what everyone else does and how UEFA handles Chelsea and Villa while figuring out their next move. It's not like things haven't been going well on the pitch. And yeah, like @STM said, morals are important. We wanna win the right way.

Liverpool's known for not paying big wages. Konate's on 80k a week. Only Salah and VVD get 400k. After that, it's Wirtz at 200k the rest are around 160 to 120. I reckon he's gone this summer, or he'll leave for free next year, with Madrid sniffing around. It will be interesting to see how Liverpool handle this situation.

Isn't he leaving this summer since he turned down a new contract and has a year left?

How much have Villa sold theirs? Your opinion is based on assumptions not fact. Your suggesting we do something based on others, where as we might have a set of different circumstances. 1. Chelsea’s womens team have won the wsl the past 5 years. 2. Villa finished 6th in the wsl, and have been in the wsl since 20/21. 3. We finished 5th in the Championship, and have been in that league for 1 season only. Is it worth it selling the womens team at the moment when its value is low? Is it not more prudent to wait amd see how much villa have sold theirs? Or untill we in the WSL?

How sure are you about this?

Players and agents are after more money, and clubs need more to pay them, which is why the Super League idea came about. The EPL is the biggest league in the world, right? 'Cause of Asia, Africa, and all that. That's why the TV deals are so huge, and the Spanish and Italian leagues are jealous. The EPL is kinda the super league lte as it were. So, it's either this, or the Super League, basically. At least this benefits club's from Africa and all. The super league wouldn't.

That "nobody watches" thing always strikes me as weird. Maybe it's not a big deal in Europe, but it's huge in Africa, Asia, and other places, and people are definitely watching. The club world cup goes far beyond Europe, they do not target Europe-only audience. For now Europe's acting all high and mighty. But with the money being thrown around, I bet the next few tournaments will be huge here, just like they are elsewhere. It'll be as big as the Champions League before long, I reckon. The money's too good for clubs to ignore. I personally hope We qualify for the next one. Hate or love it, it was always going to be a huge success.

'Cause we are losing it on social media about a rejected bid.

I agree. Very classless and I would be disappointed in the club if we go down that route. We're already competing, with two Champions League qualifications and two cup finals, winning one all in a space of 4 years and I think there's more to come. We'll get there, even if it takes a while and might be slower than we'd like, but anyone can see we're getting better every year, on and off the field. And we're still playing fair.