Terraloon

Yes. Made no secret from day one of posting on here.

Very strong decent in the air but prone to silly errors. The suggestion is his concentration levels aren’t the best. Can fill in at Right Back . The story is that he is second in your list of CB targets and that if you go for him you will be buying one of him and Madueke the other would be on a season long loan with an obligation akin to the Hall deal. The numbers I hear are both circa £40 million each

This type of deal will be say £5 million fee and £30 million if they stay up which will include the fee. Almost certainly there will be clauses about him player x number of games if he is fit or another clause will kick in ( if he doesn’t go there permanently) Remember Fulham had to pay an additional £8 million last season

Game week 2 Brighton v Man United 1-2 Palace v West Ham 2-0 Fulham v Leicester 1-1 Man City v Ipswich 4-0 Southampton v Forest 2-1 Spurs v Everton 3-1. Chosen game Villa v Arsenal 1-0 Bournemouth v Newcastle 2-1 Wolves v Chelsea1-1 Liverpool v Brentford 4-1

As part of the original compensation award when he went to Liverpool it’s said Chelsea will get 20% of the 20%

Are you ok if I, a Chelsea supporter, join in? If so Man United 1 v Fulham 0 Ipswich 1 v Liverpool 4 Arsenal 2v Wolves0 Everton 1v Brighton 1 Newcastle 3v Southampton 1 Forest 2 v Bournemouth1 West Ham 3v Villa1 Brentford 1v Palace0. Chosen Game Chelsea 1v Man City1 Leicester0 v Spurs3

They can but say NUFC bid £60 million and Chelsea say no thankyou then I would imagine that unless there was an issue outside NUFC such as a failed medical or the player not agreeing to terms then I would suggest that NUfC would have to go through with the transfer and Chelsea would be in line for a significant add on namely 25% profit so £60m-£18 m = £42 million so 25% would be £10.5million

Whilst not like for like he is up against Palmer and base on what we have seen to date it terms of first choice starter there would be only one winner. He cost Chelsea circa £25 million with some add ons that haven’t been close to being met so on that basis his current book value is around £20 million ( he is on a 1.5 years into a 7.5 year deal.) So that is the rough starting point. My guess is that he will cost around £40 million maybe more it really does depend on how keen we are to let him go and how keen you are to sign him He is a player that excites but far too often he makes the wrong choice particularly when he is joining the attack his runs are often into the wrong area. Interestingly he seems to have had difficulty with training routines that have restricted the number of touches. Again interestingly if you watch him he does tend to take one touch too often when it comes of you are convinced he could be world class bu5 when it doesn’t you shake your head. Like many maverick type of players (and I would put him in that category he isn’t that great when out of possession and called upon to press or help defend Will I be sad to see him go if that is the case ? Yes but like all players in the modern era it’s all about the bottom line

The 2023 version of UFEAs regulations will ultimately impact far more on clubs. PSG were fined €63 million last season and should they breech again so the penalty cranks up. Imagine if the PL had the same approach of 25% of sums due to be distributed after year one fail, 50% the next year, 75% should it happen 3 times Clubs have been banned from competing in Europe not sure that isn’t far more drocanian than say having points deducted . Having said all that my point about UEFA is that the PL has to have a process akin to FSR in place so

1)What so many seem to forget is that to complete in European football you have to be granted a licence. To gain a licence you have and will have to comply with UEFAs FFP (FSR) which aren’t stricter than the PLs PSR or amended version which ,from what I have read , will be easier to meet than UEFAs rules. So why would any club with aspirations to play in Europe vote to get rid of rules that they almost certainly meet by default ? 2) What makes that more difficult dips that UEFA requires National Governing bodies to have in place a form of PSR if there isn’t one in place then the national body aren’t empowered to issue any UEFA licences which by default would almost certainly mean that English’s clubs couldn’t play in Europe. 3) Which Court would you challenge the regulations? Please don’t say CAT. ? 4) This sort of matter simply isn’t , based on the White Paper , going to fall under any Regulators remit.

CAS simply don’t have jurisdiction . Or put another way there is absolutely no route for a PL dispute to be referred to CAS. Your current owners didn’t mount any challenge against the PL. There was a challenge to a competition tribunal from ST James Holdings whose main claim wasn’t ruled on. NUFC ( the club) took matters to an arbitration panel. To a degree some of the issues that many are so upset about will be resolved at Arbitration following Cities latest challenge. Irrespective for me the white paper re the regulator suggests to me that current legislation and particularly the restrictions that will apply to football , such as deciding what PL clubs have to hand over to the EFL , the fact that PL clubs won’t be able to leave the PL, won’t be able to move premises without permission , point to football being treated in a completely different environment

Under the accelerated process all clubs have to submit their accounts by 31/12 . The league then has 14 days to charge those that are over the £105 limit. The timetable is tight but the respective ICs and appeals are then listed to be met before the season 24/25 end

Here’s how this all started 6 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: But thats not a legally binding sale until the medical concludes terraloon said: Interesting enough it’s one of the reasons why pre contracts aren’t all they seem in that if a pre contract is agreed then even if there is a subsequent medical issue that issue can not usurp the pre contract. Also there actually isn’t any obligation for a buying club to have the player conduct a medical it is just that it makes good business sense to do one I can’t be arsed to discuss this topic further save saying that yes most registrations are concluded at the same time as a transfer but many transfers don’t result in players being registered with their parent club.

They do but that wasn’t what was being discussed. It was the fact that once a pre contract has been agreed then it can’t be conditional on a medical or visa. A pre contract is signed off by a player when their contract is coming to an end and the player has agreed with another club that he will sign for them when his current contract comes to an end.

Think you totally misunderstand what a pre contract agreement is in footballing terms. The following aren’t my words The difference between a pre-contract and a contract is that the parties to the pre-contract have not agreed the essential terms and so the pre-contract does not reflect the final agreement. However, if a pre-contract contains all the essential terms that have been agreed, then the pre-contract is effectively a final contract and is likely to be binding. FIFA’s Dispute Resolution Chamber (‘DRC’) has had to determine on a number of occasions whether a pre-contract has binding effect when a dispute between a club and a player has arisen. The DRC has generally held that a pre-contract is binding if it contains essential terms such as the duration of the contract, remuneration and additional benefits. In an attempt to release themselves from the obligations under a pre-contract, parties have attempted to allege that the validity of a pre-contract was conditional upon a player successfully completing a medical or obtaining a work permit. However, the DRC has rejected all such arguments on the basis that Article 18(4) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players 2012 prevents the validity of a contract between a player and a club being “subject to a successful medical examination and/or the grant of a work permit”.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/620d0240c40944ed/original/Regulations-on-the-Status-and-Transfer-of-Players-October-2022-edition.pdf Look at 4 on page 27.

Interesting enough it’s one of the reasons why pre contracts aren’t all they seem in that if a pre contract is agreed then even if there is a subsequent medical issue that issue can not usurp the pre contract. Also there actually isn’t any obligation for a buying club to have the player conduct a medical it is just that it makes good business sense to do one

Sorry but there are so many flaws with that suggestion For instance what about players out for a season with say an ACL who won’t be included in the squad or maybe the fact that you don’t have to list under 21s in the 25 man squad? Or what about players on loan ? Then look at players being available what happens if they don’t want to move ? The current system is quite simply wrong but as they say two wrongs and all that

What an absolutely brilliant post. I actually blame Arsenal Wenger for all this. Inventing the term “ Financial Doping” yes RA turned up and put vast money in but that money by and large was paid by way of transfer fees which stayed in football. Did we inflate the market? Yes but didn’t Man Utd, didn’t Blackburn didn’t every club that paid big even before RA showed up ? Yes we made the jump from a 4th place team to winning the league but it was the fact the we dare knock both Utd and yes Arsenal down from their domination of the PL that was their issue issue . I can almost visualise Wenger kicking, screaming and stamping his feet saying it’s not fair. Arsenal and its supporters made us all become experts in finance. No more discussions at work on a Monday talking about a great goal it’s now about amortisation or football income. They say we won it all because of money yet ignore the fact that they won it all ( well maybe not all) because of money Did any of you care about the length of a players contract or were you afraid of celebrating a goal for fear VAR will say that it’s disallowed because 20 minutes prior to it being scored someone passed wind ? I fell in love with football aged 7 , I fell out of love with football at age 65

That’s an extremely interesting question Chelsea FC Ltd was debt free the debt was actually a liability on the holding companies accounts. Fordstam A better question would be what’s happened to Fordstam and that I have absolutely no idea about. Accounts are overdue etc

He was apparently on around £15k a week at Barca his wage will be around 3-4 times that at Chelsea

The thrust of the SJHL case before CAT ( it’s important to note it wasn’t ever Newcastle Utd ) was to do with structure at Company level and particularly a clubs obligation to take matters of dispute to arbitration under football rules. CAT didn’t rule on the matter , they didn’t need to, the PL had always asked for a stay of CAT process their claim was that the outcome of the arbitration would render SJHL’s case in effect irrelevant. The difference between the City case here is that the club has gone to arbitration a significant part of their claims is that rules agreed by the majority could arguably be aimed at the minority, they called it “ Tyranny of the Majority “ I personally think this is an interesting comment and suggests that City acknowledge the ability of the “ competition “ to apply a process to its own rules as it were but City probably are going to argue that such rules aren’t fair because of its impact on them specifically SJHL argued that they weren’t subject to PL/ FA rules as they weren’t a club so in effect weren’t bound by such rules. City haven’t advanced that argument nor dare I say did CAT rule one way or another re SJHL claim. I have read the transcript and yes ¿through my Chelsea eyes which are broadly neutral I don’t think either side had compelling arguments re jurisdiction but what we do know that the PLs request to wait maybe wasn’t quite met but almost certainly the threat of SJHL led to a resolution of the case before it was put to arbitration In 2023 legislation was passed that in effect returned primacy of UK laws over EU laws one such are where there was a requirement for UK to factor in EU regulation was trade and so by default interpretation of Competition Law to be broadly in line and one such area where the ECJ has paid special attention to is sport where in effect it is suggested that it’s not just as straightforward as applying a generic approach. I personally think City will fail but these KCs are clever people and have the ability to shape their arguments so convincing that it’s obvious then the opposition KCs prove the polar opposite is the correct outcome

The point I am trying to make isn’t that they will ask for more money at NUFC is that being a free agent enables the to command a reasonable signing on fee if say they went to Ipswich. I very much doubt players going into their mid thirties will command an increased salary if they sign extension Of course the likes of Tripper signed extensions but in his case that was a two year deal do you think that he will be getting another 2 year deal ? As for having a replacement for Burn, for Tripper I don’t doubt that they are in place but you have to have in place back ups for those replacements and that’s where the cost arises The reason the current owners are looking to potentially selling Gallagher is obviously FFp driven he won’t sign a new deal if that situation remains then he won’t start the 24/25 season at Chelsea.

I think you have explained why it is worth noting At the end of next season they will obviously all be a year older so the likes of Trippier will be close to 35 how long would you suggest he should get in terms of contract length? Pretty sure he will be looking for more than just one year and being a free agent increase significantly what he could earn . Letting so many players get into the last year of their contracts creates issues . But to potentially loose a core of experience at season 24/25 means that they will have to be replaced that doesn’t come cheap and when you bear in mind that this group between them made over 200 PL appearances between them for you in 23/25 you can see just how important they are to you .In 23/24 you had the third oldest squad in the PL younger only than WHU & Fulham so I would imagine that EH would be looking to get the average age down and you don’t do that by giving players approaching mid thirties long deals.

From the 23/24 squad we have 3 players who have seven years left: Caicedo, Mudryk & Jackson and 1 with 8 years Fernandez. There are 9 with 6 years , 5 with 5 years, 7 with 4 years and 2 with 3 years left. its likely that circa £38 million will come off the sum being amortised in 24/25. Lukaku £20 million, Kepa £10 million and Zieych £8 million. If and a big if Olise and the £60 million fee is correct would add around £12 million. I know it’s not as simple at this but saving say £38 million and adding £12 million is beneficial to the tune of £26 million It isn’t ideal as you say the problem is that everyone leaving the ground ends up on Fulham Road. Blue Co who are the ultimate owners besides buying to hotels have also bought a site that is next to the ground ( cost £80 million ) previously belonging to a charity (Oswald Stoll) the residents who lived here are moving to a brand new development close by and where their homes will be modern as opposed to the current site which is in a sad state of repair What this will facilitate is access directly to the the tube station Fulham Broadway enabling those intending to use the tube estimated to be around 40% to walk directly to the tube without needing to walk along Fulham Road. Its not correct to say that if CFC move from Stamford Bridge, which is still a possibility, if the pitch owners don’t agree with the move then yes the name would have to change . As things stand there are. options1) To have a complete rebuild on the current site2) Recevlop on a stand by stand basis or 3) To move to a new site ( Earls Court keeps getting mentioned ) Back to players contracts . For me as big a problem comes when players are entering the last year of their deals. We have two Gallagher and Sarr. Sarr not so much but in the case of Gallagher letting players get into the last year of a deal creates huge issues. It’s worth noting that NUFC have 10 players (11 if you include Fraser) who were in your squad last season and are about to enter the last year of their deals that’s