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Not surprisingly much of our woes are of our own making but if Sterling goes his £24 million cost PA will be reduced significantly in season 24/25 and eliminated totally in years 25/26&26/27 .

They have . As I posted yesterday his decline has been rapid and significant.

I think the fact that he was told that he wasn’t wanted, for whatever reason, has hurt him. He hasn’t really ever had much go against him since the day he left QPR. His outburst was to a degree a knee jerk but he has been in the game for long enough to have seen it happen other players as I say it’s something he hasn’t had to deal with before There was a lot of chatter some years ago about him during his time at Liverpool much of that had nothing to do with anyone other than those directly involved and for sure he got dogs abuse in the press and there clearly were references to his colour . He also got abuse in a game against us some seasons ago. No player should have to deal with the abuse some supporters think they are entitled to hand out it certainly isn’t as bad as it was but still away to go.

Even though I would be delighted to see him move on he really isn’t a player that any of you really should be wanting. Having watched him closely it’s easy to see why some think he is still a top player because they remember those odd moments where he does something or scores the odd goal but his overall contribution isn’t close to what he should be contributing he runs up a blind alley or misses chances that players of his experience should bury with ease. Anyone remember our game last season in the FA cup against Leicester? There was no coincidence that his England career is almost certainly done nor is it a coincidence that even under Poch his number of minutes significantly declined particularly post Christmas 23 which ironically coincided with our up turn in form. His contribution is woeful I think it’s akin to Michael Owen burst on the scene young and ok Owen had a major injury but Sterling is in rapid decline. Of course he is contracted to Chelsea for another 3 years and yes he could sit it out but he won’t . He has been told to find another club from what is being said there was an offer from Saudi but I doubt that will be where he will end up. In relation to having too many players yep 40 is too many , that’s how many we currently have in our squad it certainly won’t be that number come 30/8 but even then business can be done with Saudi clubs for approximately another 5 weeks.

There has been a bit of chatter about him going to a European team. Although most clubs in Europe want top dollar when you buy one of theirs but won’t pay decent when they buy. You have to take a lot of is being spouted and as a consequence reported at the moment. I try to be neutral to a degree He is a player that flatters to deceive. When he picks the ball up and runs at a defence you go wow. But he chooses the wrong option time after time still young so relatively high ceiling but question his attitude as evidenced when he fought with two others to take a penalty where it was obvious who would be taking it

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Very strong decent in the air but prone to silly errors. The suggestion is his concentration levels aren’t the best. Can fill in at Right Back . The story is that he is second in your list of CB targets and that if you go for him you will be buying one of him and Madueke the other would be on a season long loan with an obligation akin to the Hall deal. The numbers I hear are both circa £40 million each

This type of deal will be say £5 million fee and £30 million if they stay up which will include the fee. Almost certainly there will be clauses about him player x number of games if he is fit or another clause will kick in ( if he doesn’t go there permanently) Remember Fulham had to pay an additional £8 million last season

Game week 2 Brighton v Man United 1-2 Palace v West Ham 2-0 Fulham v Leicester 1-1 Man City v Ipswich 4-0 Southampton v Forest 2-1 Spurs v Everton 3-1. Chosen game Villa v Arsenal 1-0 Bournemouth v Newcastle 2-1 Wolves v Chelsea1-1 Liverpool v Brentford 4-1

As part of the original compensation award when he went to Liverpool it’s said Chelsea will get 20% of the 20%

Are you ok if I, a Chelsea supporter, join in? If so Man United 1 v Fulham 0 Ipswich 1 v Liverpool 4 Arsenal 2v Wolves0 Everton 1v Brighton 1 Newcastle 3v Southampton 1 Forest 2 v Bournemouth1 West Ham 3v Villa1 Brentford 1v Palace0. Chosen Game Chelsea 1v Man City1 Leicester0 v Spurs3

They can but say NUFC bid £60 million and Chelsea say no thankyou then I would imagine that unless there was an issue outside NUFC such as a failed medical or the player not agreeing to terms then I would suggest that NUfC would have to go through with the transfer and Chelsea would be in line for a significant add on namely 25% profit so £60m-£18 m = £42 million so 25% would be £10.5million

Whilst not like for like he is up against Palmer and base on what we have seen to date it terms of first choice starter there would be only one winner. He cost Chelsea circa £25 million with some add ons that haven’t been close to being met so on that basis his current book value is around £20 million ( he is on a 1.5 years into a 7.5 year deal.) So that is the rough starting point. My guess is that he will cost around £40 million maybe more it really does depend on how keen we are to let him go and how keen you are to sign him He is a player that excites but far too often he makes the wrong choice particularly when he is joining the attack his runs are often into the wrong area. Interestingly he seems to have had difficulty with training routines that have restricted the number of touches. Again interestingly if you watch him he does tend to take one touch too often when it comes of you are convinced he could be world class bu5 when it doesn’t you shake your head. Like many maverick type of players (and I would put him in that category he isn’t that great when out of possession and called upon to press or help defend Will I be sad to see him go if that is the case ? Yes but like all players in the modern era it’s all about the bottom line

The 2023 version of UFEAs regulations will ultimately impact far more on clubs. PSG were fined €63 million last season and should they breech again so the penalty cranks up. Imagine if the PL had the same approach of 25% of sums due to be distributed after year one fail, 50% the next year, 75% should it happen 3 times Clubs have been banned from competing in Europe not sure that isn’t far more drocanian than say having points deducted . Having said all that my point about UEFA is that the PL has to have a process akin to FSR in place so

1)What so many seem to forget is that to complete in European football you have to be granted a licence. To gain a licence you have and will have to comply with UEFAs FFP (FSR) which aren’t stricter than the PLs PSR or amended version which ,from what I have read , will be easier to meet than UEFAs rules. So why would any club with aspirations to play in Europe vote to get rid of rules that they almost certainly meet by default ? 2) What makes that more difficult dips that UEFA requires National Governing bodies to have in place a form of PSR if there isn’t one in place then the national body aren’t empowered to issue any UEFA licences which by default would almost certainly mean that English’s clubs couldn’t play in Europe. 3) Which Court would you challenge the regulations? Please don’t say CAT. ? 4) This sort of matter simply isn’t , based on the White Paper , going to fall under any Regulators remit.

CAS simply don’t have jurisdiction . Or put another way there is absolutely no route for a PL dispute to be referred to CAS. Your current owners didn’t mount any challenge against the PL. There was a challenge to a competition tribunal from ST James Holdings whose main claim wasn’t ruled on. NUFC ( the club) took matters to an arbitration panel. To a degree some of the issues that many are so upset about will be resolved at Arbitration following Cities latest challenge. Irrespective for me the white paper re the regulator suggests to me that current legislation and particularly the restrictions that will apply to football , such as deciding what PL clubs have to hand over to the EFL , the fact that PL clubs won’t be able to leave the PL, won’t be able to move premises without permission , point to football being treated in a completely different environment

Under the accelerated process all clubs have to submit their accounts by 31/12 . The league then has 14 days to charge those that are over the £105 limit. The timetable is tight but the respective ICs and appeals are then listed to be met before the season 24/25 end

Here’s how this all started 6 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: But thats not a legally binding sale until the medical concludes terraloon said: Interesting enough it’s one of the reasons why pre contracts aren’t all they seem in that if a pre contract is agreed then even if there is a subsequent medical issue that issue can not usurp the pre contract. Also there actually isn’t any obligation for a buying club to have the player conduct a medical it is just that it makes good business sense to do one I can’t be arsed to discuss this topic further save saying that yes most registrations are concluded at the same time as a transfer but many transfers don’t result in players being registered with their parent club.

They do but that wasn’t what was being discussed. It was the fact that once a pre contract has been agreed then it can’t be conditional on a medical or visa. A pre contract is signed off by a player when their contract is coming to an end and the player has agreed with another club that he will sign for them when his current contract comes to an end.

Think you totally misunderstand what a pre contract agreement is in footballing terms. The following aren’t my words The difference between a pre-contract and a contract is that the parties to the pre-contract have not agreed the essential terms and so the pre-contract does not reflect the final agreement. However, if a pre-contract contains all the essential terms that have been agreed, then the pre-contract is effectively a final contract and is likely to be binding. FIFA’s Dispute Resolution Chamber (‘DRC’) has had to determine on a number of occasions whether a pre-contract has binding effect when a dispute between a club and a player has arisen. The DRC has generally held that a pre-contract is binding if it contains essential terms such as the duration of the contract, remuneration and additional benefits. In an attempt to release themselves from the obligations under a pre-contract, parties have attempted to allege that the validity of a pre-contract was conditional upon a player successfully completing a medical or obtaining a work permit. However, the DRC has rejected all such arguments on the basis that Article 18(4) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players 2012 prevents the validity of a contract between a player and a club being “subject to a successful medical examination and/or the grant of a work permit”.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/620d0240c40944ed/original/Regulations-on-the-Status-and-Transfer-of-Players-October-2022-edition.pdf Look at 4 on page 27.

Interesting enough it’s one of the reasons why pre contracts aren’t all they seem in that if a pre contract is agreed then even if there is a subsequent medical issue that issue can not usurp the pre contract. Also there actually isn’t any obligation for a buying club to have the player conduct a medical it is just that it makes good business sense to do one

Sorry but there are so many flaws with that suggestion For instance what about players out for a season with say an ACL who won’t be included in the squad or maybe the fact that you don’t have to list under 21s in the 25 man squad? Or what about players on loan ? Then look at players being available what happens if they don’t want to move ? The current system is quite simply wrong but as they say two wrongs and all that

What an absolutely brilliant post. I actually blame Arsenal Wenger for all this. Inventing the term “ Financial Doping” yes RA turned up and put vast money in but that money by and large was paid by way of transfer fees which stayed in football. Did we inflate the market? Yes but didn’t Man Utd, didn’t Blackburn didn’t every club that paid big even before RA showed up ? Yes we made the jump from a 4th place team to winning the league but it was the fact the we dare knock both Utd and yes Arsenal down from their domination of the PL that was their issue issue . I can almost visualise Wenger kicking, screaming and stamping his feet saying it’s not fair. Arsenal and its supporters made us all become experts in finance. No more discussions at work on a Monday talking about a great goal it’s now about amortisation or football income. They say we won it all because of money yet ignore the fact that they won it all ( well maybe not all) because of money Did any of you care about the length of a players contract or were you afraid of celebrating a goal for fear VAR will say that it’s disallowed because 20 minutes prior to it being scored someone passed wind ? I fell in love with football aged 7 , I fell out of love with football at age 65