Guest Geordiesned Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Only just seen this news now. Truely terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 RIP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 The guy was actually a very good footballer who absolutly tore us apart at the Lane last season. RIP Puerta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Was about to become a father in two months time if im not wrong, I feel for the people who stood close to him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 RIP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 My manager told me it's a condition some people have in the heart and in Italy they test them at 15 years old. In Foe's case, it was due to an enlarged ventricle. That sort of thing is impossible to detect though, unless you cut them open to have a look. And because it doesn't show any signs until the worst happens, there's really nothing you can do, short of exploratory surgery on every single professional athlete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 A small proportion of young people suffer heart attacks. They can be perfectly healthy and suffer the heart attack in their sleep. Its just one of those unfortunate random occurences. There is no-one to blame here. However, there needs to be some clarification: Who is responsible for monitoring the health of each individual player? Are these individuals appropriately qualified to spot potential health problems? How often do players get health check-ups? In my opinion, teams should be checked into a neutral FIFA run medical centre once a month for day long check-ups carried out by top medical specialists, with players sidelined indefinitely at the hint of a health problem. This happens in other sports and prior to the Olympics. Anything less than that is failing the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 surely not every team every month? But aye that would be a good start, say every team once a year or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I absolutely don't mean that anything of this had to do with Puerta passing away. But Fuentes who is connected to Sevillas medical team is well known within cycling and doping Apparently they discovered alot of doping preparates which belonged to Fuentes and his team. My friend told me this, he's a cycling fan. Canot really understand whats interesting about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I'm really sad to hear this news. :( He was a player that impressed me from seeing sevilla play last season. I hope Clarke will be Ok. Any news on his condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 no news = good news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 surely not every team every month? But aye that would be a good start, say every team once a year or something. The day before every cycling tour, there are thorough heart and lung tests in one building for 180 riders, with urine and bloods also taken and analysed over the following week. Any concerns at any point, and the rider is out of the race. Thus, 1000 pros could be assessed every week, or 4000 in a month. Would have to be coordinated though such that your next opponent had to have medicals on the same day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 aye but there aren't 38 cycling tours (50 for some clubs) every year, and there are infinately more footballers than cyclists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I absolutely don't mean that anything of this had to do with Puerta passing away. But Fuentes who is connected to Sevillas medical team is well known within cycling and doping Apparently they discovered alot of doping preparates which belonged to Fuentes and his team. My friend told me this, he's a cycling fan. Canot really understand whats interesting about that. This would have been over a year ago if true, and I dont think his particular 'treatments' could have triggerred a heart attack. Only a couple of cyclists die each year, usually crash related, so I don't think a link can be drawn to drugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 well i'm pretty sure some drugs (steroids i think) can trouble the heart although it is really out of order commenting on this unless there is cast iron proof, which there aint, and i don't really think its respectful to continue to talk about it with nothing more than hearsay to back you up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I absolutely don't mean that anything of this had to do with Puerta passing away. But Fuentes who is connected to Sevillas medical team is well known within cycling and doping Apparently they discovered alot of doping preparates which belonged to Fuentes and his team. My friend told me this, he's a cycling fan. Canot really understand whats interesting about that. This would have been over a year ago if true, and I dont think his particular 'treatments' could have triggerred a heart attack. Only a couple of cyclists die each year, usually crash related, so I don't think a link can be drawn to drugs. you're probably right...But if it's true what my mate told me then it's interesting and a little bit hard to understand that clubs appoint people who have been involved in illegal stuff like doping Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 aye but there aren't 38 cycling tours (50 for some clubs) every year, and there are infinately more footballers than cyclists. There are well over fifty Tours (ie cycle race with two or more consecutive stages) between January and October every year with top teams participating. Cycling squads have forty plus riders, and there are more pro teams internationally than there are in the english football pro leagues. A team of specialists could easily be set up in each domestic country. There are certainly less than 4000 players in England, which is the number that could be assessed by a team of trained specialists evey month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 well i'm pretty sure some drugs (steroids i think) can trouble the heart although it is really out of order commenting on this unless there is cast iron proof, which there aint, and i don't really think its respectful to continue to talk about it with nothing more than hearsay to back you up. Sportsmen don't use steroids any more. They use methods that increase the amount of oxygen that can be absorbed by the blood, or they use hormones to keep hormonal levels at optimal or safe amounts. So like I said, drugs can be ruled out here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I absolutely don't mean that anything of this had to do with Puerta passing away. But Fuentes who is connected to Sevillas medical team is well known within cycling and doping Apparently they discovered alot of doping preparates which belonged to Fuentes and his team. My friend told me this, he's a cycling fan. Canot really understand whats interesting about that. This would have been over a year ago if true, and I dont think his particular 'treatments' could have triggerred a heart attack. Only a couple of cyclists die each year, usually crash related, so I don't think a link can be drawn to drugs. you're probably right...But if it's true what my mate told me then it's interesting and a little bit hard to understand that clubs appoint people who have been involved in illegal stuff like doping Search this forum for 'Operation Puerto' I've plenty to say on this, although it is disrespectful to talk about drugs in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 well i'll take your word for it then, although to me it really does seem a bit hard to impliment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hodgson09 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Ok to clarify the drug that can cause heart failure is EPO, erythropoeiten. It's method of action is to increase red blood cell numbers and hence blood oxygen carrying capacity, increasing VO2 and endurance performance. The effect this has on the heart is increased load due to the bloods increase in viscosity. Who knows what caused Puerta's death, drugs or not it is very sad. The saddest one for me is his little bairn growing up without his/her dad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 RIP, tragic. I haven't seen the footage and I refuse to watch it, can't watch that shit, was bad enough to see Foe go like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Just read it, thats awful... Not been a great 2 weeks for footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Tragic.... R.I.P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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