junkhead Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Where you from Juan? Japan? Just curious. As for the Smith booing. I'd boo him, cos he comesout and says how well he wants to do then does f*** all when he comes on. at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. no, not the entire team.. just the strikers that get paid millions and struggle to make a successful pass all game, god forbid have an attempt off target.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 No because they still have good moments, Taylor scoring etc. Smith is a walking contradiction. players can score even while playing shit did you know ? do you think it affects the rest of the team when one of their teammates gets booed coming on to the pitch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Where you from Juan? Japan? Just curious. As for the Smith booing. I'd boo him, cos he comesout and says how well he wants to do then does f*** all when he comes on. at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. no, not the entire team.. just the strikers that get paid millions and struggle to make a successful pass all game, god forbid have an attempt off target.. under allardyce they did that regular enough...did you boo them onto the pitch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 No because they still have good moments, Taylor scoring etc. Smith is a walking contradiction. players can score even while playing s*** did you know ? do you think it affects the rest of the team when one of their teammates gets booed coming on to the pitch ? yeah, it must have a positive effect on those who realise that football is not about having a fancy haircut and a big wage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Where you from Juan? Japan? Just curious. As for the Smith booing. I'd boo him, cos he comesout and says how well he wants to do then does f*** all when he comes on. at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. I have stated it before and I would like to reiterate my point: To be fair, people booed Smith not based on one mere performance alone. It is over a series of matches and let us not forget that he is the chief culprit which led to many losses for us... Also, is it a coincidence that when he is not playing, we happen to be able to score and win the match? In any case, most of us will rather err on the side of caution and say yes, Smith is the weakest link. Booing the entire team... why not if they severely falls behind reasonable expectation? i.e. Would you not booed at them if Newcastle United gets relegated to Division 2 in 3 seasons? For the hideous amount of renumeration they get, they should be entirely prepared to endure all that and take it in the proper stride. Besides, I have said it again and again... it's a harsh world out there... Footballers are not stupid people... Are they willing to accept lower renumeration in return for not getting booed? The answer is no. At the end of the day, pragmatic approach deserves pragmatic treatment in return. They are paid high renumeration (from whose money?), so they just got to live with it and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Where you from Juan? Japan? Just curious. As for the Smith booing. I'd boo him, cos he comesout and says how well he wants to do then does f*** all when he comes on. at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. I have stated it before and I would like to reiterate my point: To be fair, people booed Smith not based on one mere performance alone. It is over a series of matches and let us not forget that he is the chief culprit which led to many losses for us... Also, is it a coincidence that when he is not playing, we happen to be able to score and win the match? In any case, most of us will rather err on the side of caution and say yes, Smith is the weakest link. Booing the entire team... why not if they severely falls behind reasonable expectation? i.e. Would you not booed at them if Newcastle United gets relegated to Division 2 in 3 seasons? For the hideous amount of salary they get, they should be entirely prepared to endure all that and take it in the proper stride. Besides, I have said it again and again... it's a harsh world out there... Footballers are not stupid people... Are they willing to accept lower renumeration in return for not getting booed? The answer is no. At the end of the day, pragmatic approach deserves pragmatic approach in return. They are paid high renumeration (from whose money?), so they just got to live with it and move on. no-one denies he's been shite but is booing him onto the pitch going to make him play better or aid his teammates ? and no i would not boo my team onto the pitch as it would be self defeating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter Well, if you read my posts, I've reiterate many times... Smith doesn't get boo based on one mere performance alone. He gets booed because of a series of performance he has put in. Based on your line of thought, we should try and support our own team even though they are severely under-performing (i.e. getting relegated to Division 2 after 3 seasons) and yet they are still being paid hideous amount of renumeration, at the same time, not delivering the appropriate but causes the team to repeatably lose? Is that what you really mean? Of course, initially, we should give him encouragement (I believe we did) but after some time, if the encouragement does not work, why not try the stick method? If it still doesn't, is he worth keeping still since he has outlived or has never serve his intended purpose? By the way, respect is earned. In fact, I think Smith is the only one in this unique situation at the moment. He is terrible to watch and has done nothing to prove us otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team a lot of people are convinced that if they boo it will presuade Keegan to get rid. And we all know that would be a good thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter Well, if you read my posts, I've reiterate many times... Smith doesn't get boo based on one mere performance alone. He gets booed because of a series of performance he has put in. Based on your line of thought, we should try and support our own team even though they are severely under-performing (i.e. getting relegated to Division 2 after 3 seasons) and yet they are still being paid hideous amount of renumeration, at the same time, not delivering the appropriate but causes the team to repeatably lose? Is that what you really mean? Of course, initially, we should give him encouragement (I believe we did) but after some time, if the encouragement does not work, why not try the stick method? If it still doesn't, is he worth keeping still since he has outlived or has never serve his intended purpose? By the way, respect is earned. In fact, I think Smith is the only one in this unique situation at the moment. He is terrible to watch and has done to prove us likewise. last season we had a run of terrible performances from the entire team...should we have booed them on to the pitch ? would this have had a beneficial effect ? for smith for the last season think duff for the season before. it's a team game and you are a fool if you think the other players don't give a toss when a team mate gets that sort of stick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing shite week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team Booing is an indication of the fans' intentions. You mean the fans cannot let the feelings be known even if it is reasonable? If the team knows that the boos are directed at Alan Smith (I believe the team knows), would it have a negative effect still? I believe not. Like I said, booing in a reasonable and appropriate situation does help to encourage a person and a team. A person or a team with the correct mentality and attitude knows if they do reasonably badly, after hearing those boos, he/they ought to pull up their socks and work harder to prove otherwise. To sulk in a corner and be beaten by boos... that shows the mentality of the person/team. And please don't treat the players or team like kids or keep them sheltered in a wonderland story... the world is not that nice to begin with... Either face it and live with it or die there alone. Yes, indirectly, it may aid in getting Alan Smith to leave and be a player who does not serve his intended purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I'm not sure what it is with Newcastle fans and booing players in pre season. Dyer, Jenas, Butt and now Smith have had it in various games over the last few years. Now I think Alan Smith is shite and the sooner he fucks off the better, but booing him achieves nothing positive on the pitch and makes us look like a bunch of fickle twats, it's a football match not a fucking pantomime. Booing one of your own isn't going to make him play better and it's not going to give a lift to his team mates either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team Booing is an indication of the fans' intentions. You mean the fans cannot let the feelings be known even if it is reasonable? If the team knows that the boos are directed at Alan Smith (I believe the team knows), would it have a negative effect still? I believe not. Like I said, booing in a reasonable and appropriate situation does help to encourage a person and a team. A person or a team with the correct mentality and attitude knows if they do reasonably badly, after hearing those boos, he/they ought to pull up their socks and work harder to prove otherwise. To sulk in a corner and be beaten by boos... that shows the mentality of the person/team. And please don't treat the players or team like kids or keep them sheltered in a wonderland story... the world is not that nice to begin with... Either face it and live with it or die there alone. Yes, indirectly, it may aid in getting Alan Smith to leave and be a player who does not serve his intended purposes. When would it be appropriate situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ? In another crude fashion, if he still does not pull up his socks over a series of matches after being encouraged or tolerated... booing Smith onto the pitch and getting Smith's teammates turning against him, blaming it on him, forcing him to leave in the process... why not? His teammates know who the fans are booing at and if it's not them.. they will be more than relieved. Duff has a fantastic pre-season... and look... fans are more than willing to embrace him again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I think the main problem is that by booing any player it makes the fans as a whole look like a bunch of slack jawed idiots who would be more at place in the audience for a Big Brother eviction. Its a football game for fucks sake, not a Christmas pantomime. I still cringe when I see that often repeated footage on Sky of that tosser screaming at Allardyce. Alan Smith is a player who has lost form, and probably won't get it back at this club. But thats it. At every club there is always going to be a player who isn't good enough to be in the team. The manager picks the team. Therefore you might as well boo Keegan for putting him on the pitch, if there are other options which mean Smith wouldn't play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ? aid... if he & his teammates had the proper mentality for being a proper adult footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team Booing is an indication of the fans' intentions. You mean the fans cannot let the feelings be known even if it is reasonable? If the team knows that the boos are directed at Alan Smith (I believe the team knows), would it have a negative effect still? I believe not. Like I said, booing in a reasonable and appropriate situation does help to encourage a person and a team. A person or a team with the correct mentality and attitude knows if they do reasonably badly, after hearing those boos, he/they ought to pull up their socks and work harder to prove otherwise. To sulk in a corner and be beaten by boos... that shows the mentality of the person/team. And please don't treat the players or team like kids or keep them sheltered in a wonderland story... the world is not that nice to begin with... Either face it and live with it or die there alone. Yes, indirectly, it may aid in getting Alan Smith to leave and be a player who does not serve his intended purposes. When would it be appropriate situation? That is the correct question. I will use the legal manner of answering this question. Legally a reasonableness/appropriateness will demand the 'reasonable man' test. As long as it is not grossly unreasonable to many, it is reasonable. I listed an extreme example just now by saying if Newcastle United were to get relegated to Division 2 in 3 seasons, that would definitely warrant booing of the whole team. In fact, I certainly think booing will happen earlier than that. I have also maintained that people booed Smith only a series of performance, not merely based on one. Tolerance has a limit. If the incentive method does not work, why not try the stick method. Besides, the team should know who the fans are booing at (it's not hard to know). Additionally, players should adopt the right mentality when booed and not sulk in a corner and do nothing. Look at how many people is unhappy with Smith. The truth speaks for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ? In another crude fashion, if he still does not pull up his socks over a series of matches after being encouraged or tolerated... booing Smith onto the pitch and getting Smith's teammates turning against him, blaming it on him, forcing him to leave in the process... why not? His teammates know who the fans are booing at and if it's not them.. they will be more than relieved. Duff has a fantastic pre-season... and look... fans are more than willing to embrace him again. Fucking hell So booing him makes his team mates turn against him forcing him to leave.... You couldn't make it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 When someone is this incompetent on the pitch, booing is always going to be an unfortunate side-effect, can't be helped yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team Booing is an indication of the fans' intentions. You mean the fans cannot let the feelings be known even if it is reasonable? If the team knows that the boos are directed at Alan Smith (I believe the team knows), would it have a negative effect still? I believe not. Like I said, booing in a reasonable and appropriate situation does help to encourage a person and a team. A person or a team with the correct mentality and attitude knows if they do reasonably badly, after hearing those boos, he/they ought to pull up their socks and work harder to prove otherwise. To sulk in a corner and be beaten by boos... that shows the mentality of the person/team. And please don't treat the players or team like kids or keep them sheltered in a wonderland story... the world is not that nice to begin with... Either face it and live with it or die there alone. Yes, indirectly, it may aid in getting Alan Smith to leave and be a player who does not serve his intended purposes. When would it be appropriate situation? That is the correct question. I will use the legal manner of answering this question. Legally a reasonableness/appropriateness will demand the 'reasonable man' test. As long as it is not grossly unreasonable to many, it is reasonable. I listed an extreme example just now by saying if Newcastle United were to get relegated to Division 2 in 3 seasons, that would definitely warrant booing of the whole team. In fact, I certainly think booing will happen earlier than that. I have also maintained that people booed Smith only a series of performance, not merely based on one. Tolerance has a limit. If the incentive method does not work, why not try the stick method. Besides, the team should know who the fans are booing at (it's not hard to know). Additionally, players should adopt the right mentality when booed and not sulk in a corner and do nothing. Look at how many people is unhappy with Smith. The truth speaks for itself. Rightio. I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 f***ing hell So booing him makes his team mates turn against him forcing him to leave.... You couldn't make it up Wrong, he just did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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