Should Sam Allardyce get the Sack? (Main Page Poll)

[ChezGiven]

At the end of his last full season in charge only 3000 out of 50,000 were not happy with SBR?

 

I'd say about 80% were unhappy given the numbers who booed and the number who stayed behind.

[Dokko]

The middles bit i've heard a million times before, that doesn't mean i'm not in agreement with it, and the full article is pretty much spot on imo as well.

 

Were still paying for the mistakes of our previous regime, that's certain.

 

 

 

I agree with the overall sentiment, but there's a few things with a tint of rose about them.  Lots of people wanted rid of Robson.  The stadium was practically empty for the lap of honour when we finished 5th, as a show of support it was terrible and to the players a final nail in the coffin which was displayed by our start to the following season.  As a fan base the Newcastle fans failed Robson miserably.

 

Though lots of managers were a reaction to the previous man, you can't really argue that point with Allardyce.  He's the man Shepherd chased for years.  And though the majority might have thought he wasn't up to it, I remember very few people agreeing with me that we'd be better off if we stuck with Roeder.  And there's loads who preferred to get Allardyce over Sven for some bizarre reason, a myth that goes around about him being lucky, aye, we don't need that do we.

 

Canny summing up of Shepherd's performance otherwise.

 

We did, shameful when you think back.

 

 

[Guest LucaAltieri]

Much is made of Newcastle’s history of changing managers so often. It’s used as a stick to beat the Newcastle fans with by the media and by supporters of other clubs. We are called impatient and demanding with ideas above our station. Even the managers of other clubs are joining in to support whichever of their friends are currently carrying the baton.

 

In keeping with the general shallow understanding the football world has of a club we fans avidly watch for development day, after day neither the “experts” of the pundit world or the parasites of the media world even get close to the root cause of what has gone wrong here in recent years. They all see the symptom of what has gone wrong. Only those who understand the club can see the cause and it has precious little to do with the fans!

 

A club who less than ten years ago boasted several top four finishes, champions league football and with the finances generated by (at the time) the 2nd largest gate in the premier league can be undermined by one man and one man alone. The former chairman, ably assisted by his local media hatchet man (Alan Oliver). On a financial and business level the current owner and chairman have seen the damage the inept fool has done. Our club, we are told, was on the verge of folding like “a house of cards”. Surely they can see that the financial position was so imperilled because of the damage done on the footballing side? I hope so.

 

Shepherd’s primary failing was not the dismissal of managers (with the notable exception of Sir Bobby Robson). Sure the manner in which he handled it was entirely incompetent; as a knee jerk to divert the public pressure from himself immediately after key transfer windows and with no alternative appointment in mind being his modus operandi.

 

It’s worth addressing the issue of Sir Bobby Robson here. We, as a fan base, were devastated by that decision. Of the 50,000 who turn up for home games week in, week out I’d be amazed if there were 3,000 agitating for his removal at the time (even if they won’t admit it now). A tiny but vocal minority were dissatisfied with the job he was doing but the chairman and his media hatchet man convinced themselves otherwise and in that one act put us on the path to mid table mediocrity where we find ourselves today.

 

But it’s the chairman’s primary failing which kept us on the path and that failure was the complete inability to actually appoint the right candidate in the first place. This more than any other thing has been the problem with Newcastle, make absolutely no mistake about it. No matter how overlooked it might be in the unfortunate press coverage given this club. You can go right back to Keegan’s departure and tick them off one by one.

 

We were criticized for being poor defensively and so we appointed a candidate famed for organizing teams while playing a more dour brand of football. In fairness there was no obvious reason why Dalglish failed here. Misfortune with injuries and a lack of funding only partially explain his failure to bring the success he otherwise did with Blackburn. Although some key signings were made too many poor plays came with them; Liverpool rejects, his son and no hopers like Guivarch and Glass. While the attacking backbone of Keegan’s entertainers was broken. Ferdinand, Beardsley and Asprilla departing for pastures new.

 

Gullit was another big name but a senseless appointment in reaction to the perception that we’d become a dour team under the dour Scotsman. He promised “sexy football” and (we didn’t learn the first time) the fans were optimistic. Ignoring the very real concern that our new manager had previously dismissed our star player and Geordie talisman’s £15m signing as “madness”. Inevitably the gutless football, terrible signings and breakdown in relations between the two lead to the inevitable.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own. Make absolutely no mistake. For Allardyce to try and compare his and Robson’s starts as a reason why we are so terrible in his first season is an absolute travesty of dishonest and blind excuse making. Robson would have taken this squad to the champions league, such was his talent for over achieving with the resources at his disposal.

 

Like before Shepherd acted on media perception. Previously we had been poor defensively (hire an organizer), then dour (hire Mr Sexy football), now we lacked discipline so, true to form, Souness was brought in. By now (and largely thanks to Robson’s dismissal) we fans had lost all faith in the chairman’s judgement and we weren’t prepared to show any patience for his ongoing failures. He wasn’t given a chance in all honesty but then he didn’t do a lot to earn one either despite a decent start results wise. Shepherd’s delusions and his reliance on Alan Oliver were never more apparent then when he claimed Souness was the “fan’s choice”. Garbage! We wanted Sir Bobby!

 

Roeder followed, the care taker earned his chance (and a fan’s petition for the appointment of Hitzfeld was completely ignored) but he wasn’t backed and performances weren’t up to scratch towards the end of his reign. Unbelievably bad luck with injury not withstanding.

 

So we come to Allardyce. Another manager the majority of the fans thought wasn’t up to the job. Given the job ahead of the interested Sven Goran Eriksson who our idiot chairman “laughed” at the idea of appointing. So far we’ve been proven as right as we normally are. Terrible football, terrible results, underachieving players, tactical disasters and strategic disaster lurking on the horizon. Ironically Sir Bobby, who has always understood the club, has identified why Allardyce is failing here. He has never, through out his career, produced the type of football a European calibre club needs to play. If he wasn’t such a gentleman he’d say more. Sack him and finally make an appointment that can actually live up to expectations.

 

This job needs the right man and the failure to find him has been this clubs abiding problem for a long time. The previous chairman was a footballing idiot. We can only hope the new regime has a better idea of what is needed here and, just as importantly, don’t let the ignorant elements of the media persuade them to ignore the first rule of warfare. Never reinforce failure.

 

 

 

I like Sir Bobby just as much as the next guy... he should never have been sacked... but come on. He would have taken this squad into the Champion's league? Beating out Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Everton, etc?

 

Wildly speculative and wildly inaccurate in my opinion.

 

They also make the implication that Sven was overlooked in favour of Sam despite fan opinion... we all know that was bollocks. Sven has pulled off a mini-miracle at City. Prior to that nobody wanted him, nobody rated him, and if Fat Fred had appointed him there would have been a public hanging.

 

Two different situations. City had solid foundations and Sven is now adding a more attacking element to the squad. Allardyce has had to rebuild every area of the squad. Already some of his buys (Beye, Enrique when played, Faye) are looking the part. Any credit for that? No.... instead they're whining about Smith (utility player) and Barton (hopeful signing, looked promising at City), both clearly bought to boost numbers after the forced depatures of Parker, Dyer, Solano, and Le Sib.

 

The comparison with Sven doesn't work... the comparison with Robson is far more apt. Bobby managed a mid-table finish whle undergoing a rebuilding exercise. We're currently on form to do the same thing. The real difference this time is that the fans liked Bobby, they've had it in for Sam since day one, much as they did for Souness and Roeder. Its clear from reading that article that the author was suffering from the same problem. He dismisses the comparison between the situation when Bobby arrived and the situation we're in now.... but on what grounds? None given.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own

 

Tell me how that's any different from Allardyce's original situation? The difference is simply that the author likes Bobby, not Sam, and isn't prepared to cut our current boss the same slack.

 

The only real point of any substance the article makes is that Fred made bad managerial appointments/sackings. Well, no shit. But that doesn't automatically mean the fans are off the hook. Really, half the time I'm embarssed to count myself amongst you.

 

It was the booing of fans that got Bobby the sack. It was the fans turning on the players last season that caused the likes of Parker to under perform then ultimately bugger off. What I think some people don't relaise is that its the role of the fans to lift the team, not the other way around. Why would the players want to fight for a bunch of fans who demand a lynching after a poor performance?

 

Sam has done well with what he had in front of him. We're going to continue to get better (and we ARE getting better), and thankfully our current chairman isn't responding to the knee-jerking fans (which was Fred's biggest crime) and so we might stand a chance of coming good once again.

[Guest iliketoonarmy]

Much is made of Newcastle’s history of changing managers so often. It’s used as a stick to beat the Newcastle fans with by the media and by supporters of other clubs. We are called impatient and demanding with ideas above our station. Even the managers of other clubs are joining in to support whichever of their friends are currently carrying the baton.

 

In keeping with the general shallow understanding the football world has of a club we fans avidly watch for development day, after day neither the “experts” of the pundit world or the parasites of the media world even get close to the root cause of what has gone wrong here in recent years. They all see the symptom of what has gone wrong. Only those who understand the club can see the cause and it has precious little to do with the fans!

 

A club who less than ten years ago boasted several top four finishes, champions league football and with the finances generated by (at the time) the 2nd largest gate in the premier league can be undermined by one man and one man alone. The former chairman, ably assisted by his local media hatchet man (Alan Oliver). On a financial and business level the current owner and chairman have seen the damage the inept fool has done. Our club, we are told, was on the verge of folding like “a house of cards”. Surely they can see that the financial position was so imperilled because of the damage done on the footballing side? I hope so.

 

Shepherd’s primary failing was not the dismissal of managers (with the notable exception of Sir Bobby Robson). Sure the manner in which he handled it was entirely incompetent; as a knee jerk to divert the public pressure from himself immediately after key transfer windows and with no alternative appointment in mind being his modus operandi.

 

It’s worth addressing the issue of Sir Bobby Robson here. We, as a fan base, were devastated by that decision. Of the 50,000 who turn up for home games week in, week out I’d be amazed if there were 3,000 agitating for his removal at the time (even if they won’t admit it now). A tiny but vocal minority were dissatisfied with the job he was doing but the chairman and his media hatchet man convinced themselves otherwise and in that one act put us on the path to mid table mediocrity where we find ourselves today.

 

But it’s the chairman’s primary failing which kept us on the path and that failure was the complete inability to actually appoint the right candidate in the first place. This more than any other thing has been the problem with Newcastle, make absolutely no mistake about it. No matter how overlooked it might be in the unfortunate press coverage given this club. You can go right back to Keegan’s departure and tick them off one by one.

 

We were criticized for being poor defensively and so we appointed a candidate famed for organizing teams while playing a more dour brand of football. In fairness there was no obvious reason why Dalglish failed here. Misfortune with injuries and a lack of funding only partially explain his failure to bring the success he otherwise did with Blackburn. Although some key signings were made too many poor plays came with them; Liverpool rejects, his son and no hopers like Guivarch and Glass. While the attacking backbone of Keegan’s entertainers was broken. Ferdinand, Beardsley and Asprilla departing for pastures new.

 

Gullit was another big name but a senseless appointment in reaction to the perception that we’d become a dour team under the dour Scotsman. He promised “sexy football” and (we didn’t learn the first time) the fans were optimistic. Ignoring the very real concern that our new manager had previously dismissed our star player and Geordie talisman’s £15m signing as “madness”. Inevitably the gutless football, terrible signings and breakdown in relations between the two lead to the inevitable.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own. Make absolutely no mistake. For Allardyce to try and compare his and Robson’s starts as a reason why we are so terrible in his first season is an absolute travesty of dishonest and blind excuse making. Robson would have taken this squad to the champions league, such was his talent for over achieving with the resources at his disposal.

 

Like before Shepherd acted on media perception. Previously we had been poor defensively (hire an organizer), then dour (hire Mr Sexy football), now we lacked discipline so, true to form, Souness was brought in. By now (and largely thanks to Robson’s dismissal) we fans had lost all faith in the chairman’s judgement and we weren’t prepared to show any patience for his ongoing failures. He wasn’t given a chance in all honesty but then he didn’t do a lot to earn one either despite a decent start results wise. Shepherd’s delusions and his reliance on Alan Oliver were never more apparent then when he claimed Souness was the “fan’s choice”. Garbage! We wanted Sir Bobby!

 

Roeder followed, the care taker earned his chance (and a fan’s petition for the appointment of Hitzfeld was completely ignored) but he wasn’t backed and performances weren’t up to scratch towards the end of his reign. Unbelievably bad luck with injury not withstanding.

 

So we come to Allardyce. Another manager the majority of the fans thought wasn’t up to the job. Given the job ahead of the interested Sven Goran Eriksson who our idiot chairman “laughed” at the idea of appointing. So far we’ve been proven as right as we normally are. Terrible football, terrible results, underachieving players, tactical disasters and strategic disaster lurking on the horizon. Ironically Sir Bobby, who has always understood the club, has identified why Allardyce is failing here. He has never, through out his career, produced the type of football a European calibre club needs to play. If he wasn’t such a gentleman he’d say more. Sack him and finally make an appointment that can actually live up to expectations.

 

This job needs the right man and the failure to find him has been this clubs abiding problem for a long time. The previous chairman was a footballing idiot. We can only hope the new regime has a better idea of what is needed here and, just as importantly, don’t let the ignorant elements of the media persuade them to ignore the first rule of warfare. Never reinforce failure.

 

 

 

I like Sir Bobby just as much as the next guy... he should never have been sacked... but come on. He would have taken this squad into the Champion's league? Beating out Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Everton, etc?

 

Wildly speculative and wildly inaccurate in my opinion.

 

They also make the implication that Sven was overlooked in favour of Sam despite fan opinion... we all know that was bollocks. Sven has pulled off a mini-miracle at City. Prior to that nobody wanted him, nobody rated him, and if Fat Fred had appointed him there would have been a public hanging.

 

Two different situations. City had solid foundations and Sven is now adding a more attacking element to the squad. Allardyce has had to rebuild every area of the squad. Already some of his buys (Beye, Enrique when played, Faye) are looking the part. Any credit for that? No.... instead they're whining about Smith (utility player) and Barton (hopeful signing, looked promising at City), both clearly bought to boost numbers after the forced depatures of Parker, Dyer, Solano, and Le Sib.

 

The comparison with Sven doesn't work... the comparison with Robson is far more apt. Bobby managed a mid-table finish whle undergoing a rebuilding exercise. We're currently on form to do the same thing. The real difference this time is that the fans liked Bobby, they've had it in for Sam since day one, much as they did for Souness and Roeder. Its clear from reading that article that the author was suffering from the same problem. He dismisses the comparison between the situation when Bobby arrived and the situation we're in now.... but on what grounds? None given.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own

 

Tell me how that's any different from Allardyce's original situation? The difference is simply that the author likes Bobby, not Sam, and isn't prepared to cut our current boss the same slack.

 

The only real point of any substance the article makes is that Fred made bad managerial appointments/sackings. Well, no s***. But that doesn't automatically mean the fans are off the hook. Really, half the time I'm embarssed to count myself amongst you.

 

It was the booing of fans that got Bobby the sack. It was the fans turning on the players last season that caused the likes of Parker to under perform then ultimately bugger off. What I think some people don't relaise is that its the role of the fans to lift the team, not the other way around. Why would the players want to fight for a bunch of fans who demand a lynching after a poor performance?

 

Sam has done well with what he had in front of him. We're going to continue to get better (and we ARE getting better), and thankfully our current chairman isn't responding to the knee-jerking fans (which was Fred's biggest crime) and so we might stand a chance of coming good once again.

 

city has solid foundation...

you can go suck your dad's cock

[Guest iliketoonarmy]

Much is made of Newcastle’s history of changing managers so often. It’s used as a stick to beat the Newcastle fans with by the media and by supporters of other clubs. We are called impatient and demanding with ideas above our station. Even the managers of other clubs are joining in to support whichever of their friends are currently carrying the baton.

 

In keeping with the general shallow understanding the football world has of a club we fans avidly watch for development day, after day neither the “experts” of the pundit world or the parasites of the media world even get close to the root cause of what has gone wrong here in recent years. They all see the symptom of what has gone wrong. Only those who understand the club can see the cause and it has precious little to do with the fans!

 

A club who less than ten years ago boasted several top four finishes, champions league football and with the finances generated by (at the time) the 2nd largest gate in the premier league can be undermined by one man and one man alone. The former chairman, ably assisted by his local media hatchet man (Alan Oliver). On a financial and business level the current owner and chairman have seen the damage the inept fool has done. Our club, we are told, was on the verge of folding like “a house of cards”. Surely they can see that the financial position was so imperilled because of the damage done on the footballing side? I hope so.

 

Shepherd’s primary failing was not the dismissal of managers (with the notable exception of Sir Bobby Robson). Sure the manner in which he handled it was entirely incompetent; as a knee jerk to divert the public pressure from himself immediately after key transfer windows and with no alternative appointment in mind being his modus operandi.

 

It’s worth addressing the issue of Sir Bobby Robson here. We, as a fan base, were devastated by that decision. Of the 50,000 who turn up for home games week in, week out I’d be amazed if there were 3,000 agitating for his removal at the time (even if they won’t admit it now). A tiny but vocal minority were dissatisfied with the job he was doing but the chairman and his media hatchet man convinced themselves otherwise and in that one act put us on the path to mid table mediocrity where we find ourselves today.

 

But it’s the chairman’s primary failing which kept us on the path and that failure was the complete inability to actually appoint the right candidate in the first place. This more than any other thing has been the problem with Newcastle, make absolutely no mistake about it. No matter how overlooked it might be in the unfortunate press coverage given this club. You can go right back to Keegan’s departure and tick them off one by one.

 

We were criticized for being poor defensively and so we appointed a candidate famed for organizing teams while playing a more dour brand of football. In fairness there was no obvious reason why Dalglish failed here. Misfortune with injuries and a lack of funding only partially explain his failure to bring the success he otherwise did with Blackburn. Although some key signings were made too many poor plays came with them; Liverpool rejects, his son and no hopers like Guivarch and Glass. While the attacking backbone of Keegan’s entertainers was broken. Ferdinand, Beardsley and Asprilla departing for pastures new.

 

Gullit was another big name but a senseless appointment in reaction to the perception that we’d become a dour team under the dour Scotsman. He promised “sexy football” and (we didn’t learn the first time) the fans were optimistic. Ignoring the very real concern that our new manager had previously dismissed our star player and Geordie talisman’s £15m signing as “madness”. Inevitably the gutless football, terrible signings and breakdown in relations between the two lead to the inevitable.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own. Make absolutely no mistake. For Allardyce to try and compare his and Robson’s starts as a reason why we are so terrible in his first season is an absolute travesty of dishonest and blind excuse making. Robson would have taken this squad to the champions league, such was his talent for over achieving with the resources at his disposal.

 

Like before Shepherd acted on media perception. Previously we had been poor defensively (hire an organizer), then dour (hire Mr Sexy football), now we lacked discipline so, true to form, Souness was brought in. By now (and largely thanks to Robson’s dismissal) we fans had lost all faith in the chairman’s judgement and we weren’t prepared to show any patience for his ongoing failures. He wasn’t given a chance in all honesty but then he didn’t do a lot to earn one either despite a decent start results wise. Shepherd’s delusions and his reliance on Alan Oliver were never more apparent then when he claimed Souness was the “fan’s choice”. Garbage! We wanted Sir Bobby!

 

Roeder followed, the care taker earned his chance (and a fan’s petition for the appointment of Hitzfeld was completely ignored) but he wasn’t backed and performances weren’t up to scratch towards the end of his reign. Unbelievably bad luck with injury not withstanding.

 

So we come to Allardyce. Another manager the majority of the fans thought wasn’t up to the job. Given the job ahead of the interested Sven Goran Eriksson who our idiot chairman “laughed” at the idea of appointing. So far we’ve been proven as right as we normally are. Terrible football, terrible results, underachieving players, tactical disasters and strategic disaster lurking on the horizon. Ironically Sir Bobby, who has always understood the club, has identified why Allardyce is failing here. He has never, through out his career, produced the type of football a European calibre club needs to play. If he wasn’t such a gentleman he’d say more. Sack him and finally make an appointment that can actually live up to expectations.

 

This job needs the right man and the failure to find him has been this clubs abiding problem for a long time. The previous chairman was a footballing idiot. We can only hope the new regime has a better idea of what is needed here and, just as importantly, don’t let the ignorant elements of the media persuade them to ignore the first rule of warfare. Never reinforce failure.

 

 

 

I like Sir Bobby just as much as the next guy... he should never have been sacked... but come on. He would have taken this squad into the Champion's league? Beating out Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Everton, etc?

 

Wildly speculative and wildly inaccurate in my opinion.

 

They also make the implication that Sven was overlooked in favour of Sam despite fan opinion... we all know that was bollocks. Sven has pulled off a mini-miracle at City. Prior to that nobody wanted him, nobody rated him, and if Fat Fred had appointed him there would have been a public hanging.

 

Two different situations. City had solid foundations and Sven is now adding a more attacking element to the squad. Allardyce has had to rebuild every area of the squad. Already some of his buys (Beye, Enrique when played, Faye) are looking the part. Any credit for that? No.... instead they're whining about Smith (utility player) and Barton (hopeful signing, looked promising at City), both clearly bought to boost numbers after the forced depatures of Parker, Dyer, Solano, and Le Sib.

 

The comparison with Sven doesn't work... the comparison with Robson is far more apt. Bobby managed a mid-table finish whle undergoing a rebuilding exercise. We're currently on form to do the same thing. The real difference this time is that the fans liked Bobby, they've had it in for Sam since day one, much as they did for Souness and Roeder. Its clear from reading that article that the author was suffering from the same problem. He dismisses the comparison between the situation when Bobby arrived and the situation we're in now.... but on what grounds? None given.

 

We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own

 

Tell me how that's any different from Allardyce's original situation? The difference is simply that the author likes Bobby, not Sam, and isn't prepared to cut our current boss the same slack.

 

The only real point of any substance the article makes is that Fred made bad managerial appointments/sackings. Well, no s***. But that doesn't automatically mean the fans are off the hook. Really, half the time I'm embarssed to count myself amongst you.

 

It was the booing of fans that got Bobby the sack. It was the fans turning on the players last season that caused the likes of Parker to under perform then ultimately bugger off. What I think some people don't relaise is that its the role of the fans to lift the team, not the other way around. Why would the players want to fight for a bunch of fans who demand a lynching after a poor performance?

 

Sam has done well with what he had in front of him. We're going to continue to get better (and we ARE getting better), and thankfully our current chairman isn't responding to the knee-jerking fans (which was Fred's biggest crime) and so we might stand a chance of coming good once again.

 

and we ARE getting better.

go suck your mom's tit again.

[ChezGiven]

Breast feeding on iliketoonarmy's brain? Cant be that long since he stopped tbh.

[Guest iliketoonarmy]

Jol who couldnt beat Roeder?

 

If we were able to attract a world class manager we would have done it by now.

 

and my dad could beat yours

[Dragon55544]

Jol who couldnt beat Roeder?

 

If we were able to attract a world class manager we would have done it by now.

 

and my dad could beat yours

 

FFS how old are you?

[Guest LucaAltieri]

and we ARE getting better.

go suck your mom's tit again.

 

Can't argue with that logic 

[Guest iliketoonarmy]

Jol who couldnt beat Roeder?

 

If we were able to attract a world class manager we would have done it by now.

 

grow up mate,face the fact.

there is nothing as 'easy option' or not.

there is only 'better' or not.

[Clay]

He's quit apparently, dad reckons SSN reporting it, anyone confirm?

[MyPalAl]

With my usual fantastic foresight....I think he should go!