Thespence Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/4883507 Dyer ffs. So the bottom line is people are missing Bobbys old team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_football/FERDINAND_Les_19970413_NF_L.jpg Great business from Fat Fred - six million for a player 'of his age' and have spent around ten times that trying to find a replacement. completely predictable that you blame Fat Fred, when it was absolutley nothing to do with him What a moron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/870000/images/_872853_cordone150.jpg even a short term player or 2 like that - who did alright for a short while - brought in during January - or late last summer - would have helped us gain a few more points which could yet prove the difference, and at least encouraged us to believe that someone could see what was needed. This is what I just can't get my head around. I agree with you. f****** hell! there's hope for you yet Liam O mate A striker who scored two goals...........okay I know that is a lot if ya Alan Smith but haway lads yas are clutching at straws now. nobody says he's a Shearer mate. What we're saying is he could have done a decent short term job, giving the team something we lack ie mobility up front, and showing somebody realises this, and even one goal may yet make the difference between survival and going down. I'm sure you understand this ? He wasn't bad either in actual fact. We've seen damn sight worse than him and I'm not just talking about when we had a shite board either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. Dyer & Jenas wanted to go though. Well of course were not better off now, we are in a relegation battle ffs. I think Bobby leaving the club ranks above them 4 players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. I just love these hindsight merchants. The vast majority of the clubs supporters - and on here - fully supported the sales of all these 4 players. And for what its worth, I agreed with the sale of Jeanarse and the sale of Dyer, being a massively underachieving prick for the club, who had pace but ended up with a terrible attitude whereby he was just no use to us anymore. I would not have sold Robert and Bellamy though, particularly Bellamy, and I had loads of grief for saying so at the time on here too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/870000/images/_872853_cordone150.jpg even a short term player or 2 like that - who did alright for a short while - brought in during January - or late last summer - would have helped us gain a few more points which could yet prove the difference, and at least encouraged us to believe that someone could see what was needed. This is what I just can't get my head around. I agree with you. f****** hell! there's hope for you yet Liam O mate A striker who scored two goals...........okay I know that is a lot if ya Alan Smith but haway lads yas are clutching at straws now. nobody says he's a Shearer mate. What we're saying is he could have done a decent short term job, giving the team something we lack ie mobility up front, and showing somebody realises this, and even one goal may yet make the difference between survival and going down. I'm sure you understand this ? He wasn't bad either in actual fact. We've seen damn sight worse than him and I'm not just talking about when we had a s**** board either. But Cordone is not the best example he was good for about a fortnight in August, which is two weeks longer than any of our current crop have played lately that is a given. We have saw worse loan signings Dave Mitchell, Tommy Gaynor, Rossi etc. If its pace we need KK should play Oba & CNZ from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I just love these hindsight merchants. The vast majority of the clubs supporters - and on here - fully supported the sales of all these 4 players. And for what its worth, I agreed with the sale of Jeanarse and the sale of Dyer, being a massively underachieving prick for the club, who had pace but ended up with a terrible attitude whereby he was just no use to us anymore. I would not have sold Robert and Bellamy though, particularly Bellamy, and I had loads of grief for saying so at the time on here too. We didn't sell Robert, we gave him away, we almost had to do the same with Bellamy who went for less than £4 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/870000/images/_872853_cordone150.jpg even a short term player or 2 like that - who did alright for a short while - brought in during January - or late last summer - would have helped us gain a few more points which could yet prove the difference, and at least encouraged us to believe that someone could see what was needed. This is what I just can't get my head around. I agree with you. f****** hell! there's hope for you yet Liam O mate A striker who scored two goals...........okay I know that is a lot if ya Alan Smith but haway lads yas are clutching at straws now. nobody says he's a Shearer mate. What we're saying is he could have done a decent short term job, giving the team something we lack ie mobility up front, and showing somebody realises this, and even one goal may yet make the difference between survival and going down. I'm sure you understand this ? He wasn't bad either in actual fact. We've seen damn sight worse than him and I'm not just talking about when we had a s**** board either. But Cordone is not the best example he was good for about a fortnight in August, which is two weeks longer than any of our current crop have played lately that is a given. We have saw worse loan signings Dave Mitchell, Tommy Gaynor, Rossi etc. If its pace we need KK should play Oba & CNZ from the start. I don't disagree. I'm saying that we have big problems with the shape of the team and I would feel a bit more encouraged if somebody somewhere showed me they understand the game by showing they recognise these shortcomings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I just love these hindsight merchants. The vast majority of the clubs supporters - and on here - fully supported the sales of all these 4 players. And for what its worth, I agreed with the sale of Jeanarse and the sale of Dyer, being a massively underachieving prick for the club, who had pace but ended up with a terrible attitude whereby he was just no use to us anymore. I would not have sold Robert and Bellamy though, particularly Bellamy, and I had loads of grief for saying so at the time on here too. We didn't sell Robert, we gave him away, we almost had to do the same with Bellamy who went for less than £4 million. Other than saying I know that what you say is correct and you are just being pedantic, I really don't give a toss what you post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I just want to say that Spider Jerusalems post which I have commented on, shows up completely the lack of judgement and idiotic bias that far too many clueless people on here spout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't disagree. I'm saying that we have big problems with the shape of the team and I would feel a bit more encouraged if somebody somewhere showed me they understand the game by showing they recognise these shortcomings. Well me & you can see them. I keep telling people I want to sit in the dug out at SJP because what they see from down there is different to what I see from my Gallowgate seat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't disagree. I'm saying that we have big problems with the shape of the team and I would feel a bit more encouraged if somebody somewhere showed me they understand the game by showing they recognise these shortcomings. Well me & you can see them. I keep telling people I want to sit in the dug out at SJP because what they see from down there is different to what I see from my Gallowgate seat. obvious as fuck. So do you believe that Keegan can see it or not ? And if he can't, [highly unlikely], why hasn't he done something about it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Other than saying I know that what you say is correct and you are just being pedantic, I really don't give a toss what you post. I doubt many people would think pointing out the difference between a player being sold and one being given away is being pedantic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Solano Dyer Speed Robert Shearer Bellamy That just looks so f****** good. We haven't replaced any of them. Aye, tis sad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 ALAN SMITH HASN'T BEEN REPLACED-HE FUCKING SHOULD BE!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. I just love these hindsight merchants. The vast majority of the clubs supporters - and on here - fully supported the sales of all these 4 players. And for what its worth, I agreed with the sale of Jeanarse and the sale of Dyer, being a massively underachieving prick for the club, who had pace but ended up with a terrible attitude whereby he was just no use to us anymore. I would not have sold Robert and Bellamy though, particularly Bellamy, and I had loads of grief for saying so at the time on here too. You wanted to swap Robert and £5 million for James Beattie so it's a bit late to claim you wanted to keep him using hindsight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 obvious as f***. So do you believe that Keegan can see it or not ? And if he can't, [highly unlikely], why hasn't he done something about it ? He seems sucked in by the "name" players & this backfired at Man City with him signing Fowler, Macca, Seaman etc. He made his name signing hungry players from the lower leagues or guys with a point to prove Cole, Lee,Beresford, Sellars, Venison, Bracewell etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. Too many people wanted rid of these because they didn't have the right attitude. At least we've got Smith now though who wants to be here eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 ALAN SMITH HASN'T BEEN REPLACED-HE FUCKING SHOULD BE!!!! QFT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dyer, Robert, Bellamy and Jenas were all let go by dour football specialists. You tell me if we are better off now. I just love these hindsight merchants. The vast majority of the clubs supporters - and on here - fully supported the sales of all these 4 players. And for what its worth, I agreed with the sale of Jeanarse and the sale of Dyer, being a massively underachieving prick for the club, who had pace but ended up with a terrible attitude whereby he was just no use to us anymore. I would not have sold Robert and Bellamy though, particularly Bellamy, and I had loads of grief for saying so at the time on here too. There is no hindsight here mate. Like SBR, a true football genius, I defended Dyer and Jenas while they were here because I rated their ability and athleticism, while narrow-minded cunts (no one in specific I should add) carried out hate campaigns online and offline which made it inevitable they would leave. I said so at the time, if you like, I can find the posts, assuming they are still searchable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The 2 players that i think signify the downfalls of the club on 2 seperate occasions would be Ferdinand and Speed. Speed probably the most important player to directly effect the team but Ferdinand obviously for the significants of his departure and the fall out from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I thought Jenas stagnated and so had to go. I was actually pretty happy that we managed to fetch £7m for him, and as good as he's playing now, does anyone think that he would be playing well if he was here? He doesn't have the balls to dominate the midfield, doesn't have the vision to spray passes around and he would have been another average center midfielder if he was still here. On a tangential note, Parker's habit of passing the ball backwards was very reminiscent of Jenas' attitude on attacking and we all know how effective he was. We missed Bellamy dearly (and still do) and I think KK should make a move for him this summer. He's still injury-prone but I'd take him for anything up to £7m. He's still a very underrated player and he'd jump at the chance to come back here, no doubt about that. Only 28 as well. He'd be the perfect partner for Owen if we want to play expansive attacking football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The 2 players that i think signify the downfalls of the club on 2 seperate occasions would be Ferdinand and Speed. Speed probably the most important player to directly effect the team but Ferdinand obviously for the significants of his departure and the fall out from it. Ferdinand was a good sale at the time. We got decent money for a player at his best who never did anything of note afterwards. Speed did ok with Bolton who were perfectly suited to his talents. Good business on both accounts IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The 2 players that i think signify the downfalls of the club on 2 seperate occasions would be Ferdinand and Speed. Speed probably the most important player to directly effect the team but Ferdinand obviously for the significants of his departure and the fall out from it. Ferdinand was a good sale at the time. We got decent money for a player at his best who never did anything of note afterwards. Speed did ok with Bolton who were perfectly suited to his talents. Good business on both accounts IMO. I have to disagree with you there completely, the point with Ferdinand was that he was doing something here, bare in mind it was his sale that forced keegans hand. You dont under any circumstance sell players who are scoring for you. That was probably one of the best partenerships this club has ever had, why break it up? Also Speed was insrtrumental for our side, was a very very important player, when we sold him the sides perfomances suffered alot. Was also a very mature head in a relatively young side. The business is alway bad if you sell players who affect your team, irrespective of the cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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