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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

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Are those all the reasons for you being a closet fan? :lol:

 

You just keep flying that Spurs flag man!  :thup: 

 

Actually I think it says more about the likes of you and NE5 that you have to resort to calling people closet Spurs fans rather than being able to debate the point.

 

Mind you I wasn't exactly expecting an in depth conversation about football from an Avril Lavigne fan, I'm guessing you've fallen off your skateboard one to many times which is why that was the best point you could think up.

 

 

baggy toddles off to dig up some old post from Teasy ...........

 

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I thought this was their plan?

 

"Over the summer we will look to strengthen the squad further. In addition to making any immediate fixes that may be required, as with everything else we have done since Mike acquired the club, we will want to acquire players that can help make Newcastle United a top team for the medium and long-term, not just for the next season or two. That is why we put a substantial offer in for Luka Modric, who is aged 22. It is frustrating that Modric, like Woodgate before him, should take less money than we offered to move to the bright lights of London, and European football with Tottenham next season, but these are the sorts of difficulties that should get easier to address once we build a squad that competes at the right end of the table."

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Are those all the reasons for you being a closet fan? :lol:

 

You just keep flying that Spurs flag man!  :thup: 

 

Actually I think it says more about the likes of you and NE5 that you have to resort to calling people closet Spurs fans rather than being able to debate the point.

 

Mind you I wasn't exactly expecting an in depth conversation about football from an Avril Lavigne fan, I'm guessing you've fallen off your skateboard one to many times which is why that was the best point you could think up.

 

 

baggy toddles off to dig up some old post from Teasy ...........

 

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Why? Did he say Souness was better than Keegan too? mackems.gif

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Didn't say I hadn't heard of him did I?..  I just think its hilarious how certain people bang on about how high profile and well known throughout the universe Ramos is.. its bollocks.  Yes he's a reasonably well known manager amongst hardcore Football fans and players, but he's no world renowed manager.  Keegans probably still a more famous person, even though he's won less as a manager.

 

Mind you I wasn't exactly expecting an in depth conversation about football from an Avril Lavigne fan, I'm guessing you've fallen off your skateboard one to many times which is why that was the best point you could think up.

 

If I was an Avril Lavigne fan, rather then just really fancying the f*** out of her, then I'd be much happier with that then being a Spurs fan  :lol:  I just thought it was pretty funny that other people see what I see with you and the Spuds :)

 

indeed. Elisha Cuthbert is pretty horny like but I don't suppose it matters too much whether she can sing or not  bluelaugh.gif

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Didn't say I hadn't heard of him did I?..  I just think its hilarious how certain people bang on about how high profile and well known throughout the universe Ramos is.. its bollocks.  Yes he's a reasonably well known manager amongst hardcore Football fans and players, but he's no world renowed manager.  Keegans probably still a more famous person, even though he's won less as a manager.

 

Mind you I wasn't exactly expecting an in depth conversation about football from an Avril Lavigne fan, I'm guessing you've fallen off your skateboard one to many times which is why that was the best point you could think up.

 

If I was an Avril Lavigne fan, rather then just really fancying the f*** out of her, then I'd be much happier with that then being a Spurs fan  :lol:  I just thought it was pretty funny that other people see what I see with you and the Spuds :)

 

indeed. Elisha Cuthbert is pretty horny like but I don't suppose it matters too much whether she can sing or not  bluelaugh.gif

 

Think you've used the wrong word there ;)

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Funnier how even more people think you're talking s****. Having someone agree with you, doesn't mean you're right.

 

I guess you're one of those "great post" people who thinks that as long as the subject is something you agree with then it's set in stone?

 

Man United are better than us. I'm not a Man United fan though. See, not that difficult.

 

You must be one of those people who randomly take one persons side in a discussion you aren't part of and know nothing about :lol:  I'm not calling him a closest Spurs fan because of anything he's said in this thread you numpty :)

 

By the way just to be exact, nobody agreed with me, I agreed with NE5.

 

"that other people see what I see with you and the Spuds"

 

So that's not someone else agreeing with you?

 

And where did I say anything about what you've said in this thread, other than the fact you're talking s****?

 

I was just being pedantic, since its all the rage here, NE5 said something, I agreed with him.

 

This is getting stupid but.. here goes.. I didn't say that you said anything about what I'd said in this thread :lol:

 

Baggy's odd soft spot for the spuds must be pretty obvious to everyone by now.

 

 

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£1m for Rose

£2m for Taarabt

£1m for Parret

 

Dunno about the others.

 

 

 

 

And have any of those broke the first team.

 

 

 

 

Taarabt is 18 and has made his first team debut, Rose is 17 and has been on the bench twice, Parrett is 16 and not old enough to sign a professional contract.

But to imply "gems" means they have like Mr N'Zogbia starred in the first team and performed. Adel Taarbet is close, but to denote 3 as gems is very premature, and as for Lennon don't get me started VASTLY over-rated sprinter.

 

As for Spurs being the bigger club not at all. Is it 4 seasons they've been above us, as to my knowledge it's 3 they've never been in the Champions League, and their stadium is tiny. Just because their manager won the UEFA cup twice I don't think rates him. Rememeber they faced Middlesborough in the final the second time, what brilliant competition.

 

If you look at alot of Spurs signings, Huddlestone, Zokora, Davis, Mendes, Parmarot, Gardner, Kaboul, Chimbonda, Lee, Robinson, Bent, Rasiak. They have a lot of flops, some are bigger money than others. They have ruined a lot of England prospects likes of Davenport and Huddlestone spring to mind, Davis was highly rated in his Fulham days, and Routledge with palace. I think we are either on par or slightly better than Spurs. The Carling Cup is a mickey mouse tournament and I will not consider it a "Major trophy" even if we won it tomorrow.

 

We may never know the true reason why Modric chose Spurs, or joined them depending on your opinon, but the noises made from him mde it look weird when he then joined Spurs.

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It's embarassing that some of our fans have to make up ridiculous claims in their head to justify why Modric chose Spurs over us. It's pretty simple, man. They're just a better prospect than we are at the moment and you're living in the clouds if you think that being in Europe and having a reputable manager like Ramos doesn't make a difference.

 

And this is not defeatist of me to admit this as well. In fact, the sooner we all realise this, the sooner we can try to fix our problems (instead of ignoring it) and improve the club as a prospect instead of merely saying 'oh yeah, that player signed for them only because of that clause and this clause'.

 

Spot On.

 

It's refreshing that a player moves for his career ambition and the chance of European football and a better coach, rather than moving to the club that offered him the better salary. Even if it is annoying that it's Spurs he is moving too.

 

The ONLY area where they score, is that they are in London, and not every player would see this as the be all and end all.

 

 

 

having won silverware this season and being in the uefa cup next season must count for something, surely?

 

Well, Cardiff have just appeared in the FA Cup Final, and pompey have won the FA Cup. Are you saying both of those clubs, especially the winners, are also bigger and better than us ?

 

 

no i'm not, you're the one bringing those two clubs into the thread, not me. the thread is about spurs, who have just won silverware and are in the uefa cup next season, and that has to be a draw for a player, sorry like, it seems beyond obvious to me.

 

Well, so have pompey.

 

Correct or not ?

 

 

 

I reckon the european place and the FA cup win could certainly attract some players, yeah.

 

Well, you're just going to have to wait for this grand plan to come to fruition then aren't you.

 

Lets hope those other 19 pesky premiership clubs don't get in the way, or pull further ahead while you're waiting eh

 

You're not saying that pompey are now a bigger and better club than us are you ?

 

 

 

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It's embarassing that some of our fans have to make up ridiculous claims in their head to justify why Modric chose Spurs over us. It's pretty simple, man. They're just a better prospect than we are at the moment and you're living in the clouds if you think that being in Europe and having a reputable manager like Ramos doesn't make a difference.

 

And this is not defeatist of me to admit this as well. In fact, the sooner we all realise this, the sooner we can try to fix our problems (instead of ignoring it) and improve the club as a prospect instead of merely saying 'oh yeah, that player signed for them only because of that clause and this clause'.

 

Spot On.

 

It's refreshing that a player moves for his career ambition and the chance of European football and a better coach, rather than moving to the club that offered him the better salary. Even if it is annoying that it's Spurs he is moving too.

 

The ONLY area where they score, is that they are in London, and not every player would see this as the be all and end all.

 

 

 

having won silverware this season and being in the uefa cup next season must count for something, surely?

 

Well, Cardiff have just appeared in the FA Cup Final, and pompey have won the FA Cup. Are you saying both of those clubs, especially the winners, are also bigger and better than us ?

 

 

no i'm not, you're the one bringing those two clubs into the thread, not me. the thread is about spurs, who have just won silverware and are in the uefa cup next season, and that has to be a draw for a player, sorry like, it seems beyond obvious to me.

 

Well, so have pompey.

 

Correct or not ?

 

 

 

I reckon the european place and the FA cup win could certainly attract some players, yeah.

 

Well, you're just going to have to wait for this grand plan to come to fruition then aren't you.

 

Lets hope those other 19 pesky premiership clubs don't get in the way, or pull further ahead while you're waiting eh

 

You're not saying that pompey are now a bigger and better club than us are you ?

 

 

 

 

No, otherwise I'd have said it. And to repeat, I agree with you about signing "players for the future" rather than players to improve us right now. I've said that many times. However, it looks like we're attempting to sign the "right now" players, so that can't be used as a negative on the new board.

 

Portsmouth playing in Europe will help attract players. That's all I said. Don't you think it will?

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

 

 

 

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

Currently, Spurs are better than us. They finished above us in the league and won a cup. Next season might be different, but I suspect most footballers are looking at a short term approach these days, seeing how easy it is to get transferred.

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Didn't say I hadn't heard of him did I?..  I just think its hilarious how certain people bang on about how high profile and well known throughout the universe Ramos is.. its bollocks.  Yes he's a reasonably well known manager amongst hardcore Football fans and players, but he's no world renowed manager.  Keegans probably still a more famous person, even though he's won less as a manager.

 

Mind you I wasn't exactly expecting an in depth conversation about football from an Avril Lavigne fan, I'm guessing you've fallen off your skateboard one to many times which is why that was the best point you could think up.

 

If I was an Avril Lavigne fan, rather then just really fancying the f*** out of her, then I'd be much happier with that then being a Spurs fan  :lol:  I just thought it was pretty funny that other people see what I see with you and the Spuds :)

 

indeed. Elisha Cuthbert is pretty horny like but I don't suppose it matters too much whether she can sing or not  bluelaugh.gif

 

Think you've used the wrong word there ;)

 

well, I just searched for an explanation of it in google, and all the links seem to be hard porn stuff .....  :laugh:

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

Currently, Spurs are better than us. They finished above us in the league and won a cup. Next season might be different, but I suspect most footballers are looking at a short term approach these days, seeing how easy it is to get transferred.

 

IN that case, the sooner we make some sort of statement of intent the better, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

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Put a player in front of us and Pompey tomorrow and id happily bet a lot fo money they'd go to them - because of the league positions, becasue of the calibre of squad becasue of Europe and most importantly becasue they've just won the oldest and possilby the most famous cup competition in the whole world.

 

Our only hope is finance and Mort andAshley seem to be playing that card (Modric) so you are kidding yourself if you still think our big stadium is a bigger draw than what ive just mentioned.

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

Currently, Spurs are better than us. They finished above us in the league and won a cup. Next season might be different, but I suspect most footballers are looking at a short term approach these days, seeing how easy it is to get transferred.

 

IN that case, the sooner we make some sort of statement of intent the better, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

Absolutely. If only the £22m bid for Modric had come off eh.

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Is this the way Shepherd did business then?

 

thought you didn't want to talk about Shepherd ?

 

As it happens, you should have understood by now that just because he was a fat bastard, it didn't mean they did everything wrong, and by virtue of the fact that only 4 clubs qualified for europe more than us, must in fact have got quite a lot right.

 

Basically, it boils down to having standards. The club are better buying one top quality player than 2 lesser ones who will probably underachieve [see a lot of our signings]. This directly answers people who say the club should be trying to "build a team" instead of buying "trophy players". They are wrong, the club HAS attempted to buy a team rather than "trophy players", this is in fact where things have not worked out, a combination of this and poor judgement.

 

Players like Luque, Boumsong, Parker, Emre, and other players not just the ones bought by Souness, count in Jenas, Cort, Bellamy, Robert, Smith, Viana, Bramble, Barton, to name a few spread across the last 3 managers........they all cost reasonably large fees, not as much as ManU and Chelsea pay for instance. Its still been fairly ambitious to back the manager like this, more than most clubs, but rightly so.

 

Its quality that counts. Look at the quality. Somebody may be a good player, but is he good enough for where we want to be ?

 

So some of these players have been a success, some have not, some have bombed.

 

And there you have it. This is what you get. Mixed results of a sort, but also in comparison with clubs who live in a lower market, more relative success.

 

The same will always result, unless you have a good manager showing good judgement. If he doesn't show good judgement, then you have no chance whatsoever of getting back into the top 4.

 

If we had stayed in the Champions League, we would have been able to build further, I'm not blaming the club for not spending money in 2003, at the time they had spent money on Woodgate and it appeared they, quite rightly, were looking to spend money on the absolute top notch player, and I would say they were aware that the talisman was on the verge of retiring and saw replacing hims with the best possible player as being paramount.

 

Hindsight is easy if you say now we should have invested more money [that we didnt' have , but its OK to criticise for overspending now though] but nobody thought we would lose that Champions League qualifier. We won the first leg, away from home.

 

They then sent Robson packing [ which a lot of people agree with at the time ] and basically, if we had made a good choice then, a lot of things would have been entirely different.

 

I've wandered off a bit here.

 

Generally I don't think its a bad idea at all to get the top quality player when you can, it means you have a postion sorted, if you like. I accept that we aren't in europe but I think our fanbase can bridge this gap to a certain extent, being guaranteed, so taking a risk. The sooner we are back in the top slots the better. 

 

I still find it quite staggering that people choose to castigate the fat bastard for trying to bring the best possible players to the club, and sad too.

 

 

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

Currently, Spurs are better than us. They finished above us in the league and won a cup. Next season might be different, but I suspect most footballers are looking at a short term approach these days, seeing how easy it is to get transferred.

 

IN that case, the sooner we make some sort of statement of intent the better, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

Absolutely. If only the £22m bid for Modric had come off eh.

 

of course, just like the bid for Rooney, but we weren't in competition with Manu for Modric though.

 

 

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I'd rather have KK.

 

I don't think anyone is saying they'd prefer Ramos over Keegan tbf Parky, people are just pointing out that a young lad playing in Europe would look more favourable towards Ramos than Keegan considering the one has qualified for the Champions league, won the Uefa cup twice, the Copa Del Ray and the Uefa Supercup in the past 3 years.

 

The other has spent that time running a soccer circus in Scotland.

 

That did make me giggle.

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Were simply not in a position to compete for players with the top 4 at the moment. We are struggling to compete with spurs and another 3-4 clubs at the moment. Don't expect trophy signings until were in a position to win trophys.

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£1m for Rose

£2m for Taarabt

£1m for Parret

 

Dunno about the others.

 

 

 

 

And have any of those broke the first team.

 

 

 

 

Taarabt is 18 and has made his first team debut, Rose is 17 and has been on the bench twice, Parrett is 16 and not old enough to sign a professional contract.

But to imply "gems" means they have like Mr N'Zogbia starred in the first team and performed. Adel Taarbet is close, but to denote 3 as gems is very premature, and as for Lennon don't get me started VASTLY over-rated sprinter.

 

As for Spurs being the bigger club not at all. Is it 4 seasons they've been above us, as to my knowledge it's 3 they've never been in the Champions League, and their stadium is tiny. Just because their manager won the UEFA cup twice I don't think rates him. Rememeber they faced Middlesborough in the final the second time, what brilliant competition.

 

If you look at alot of Spurs signings, Huddlestone, Zokora, Davis, Mendes, Parmarot, Gardner, Kaboul, Chimbonda, Lee, Robinson, Bent, Rasiak. They have a lot of flops, some are bigger money than others. They have ruined a lot of England prospects likes of Davenport and Huddlestone spring to mind, Davis was highly rated in his Fulham days, and Routledge with palace. I think we are either on par or slightly better than Spurs. The Carling Cup is a mickey mouse tournament and I will not consider it a "Major trophy" even if we won it tomorrow.

 

We may never know the true reason why Modric chose Spurs, or joined them depending on your opinon, but the noises made from him mde it look weird when he then joined Spurs.

 

I never implied 'gems', Kingdawson did.  Those 3 have got potential, at the present time no more than that.  I expect Taarabt to go out on a year long loan next season, probably to either WBA or Bordeaux.  Maybe the same option for Rose, Parrett to remain in the Academy.  Of the other players you mentioned, those that have been sold were all sold at a profit, even Rasiak went for £2,2m!  I accept though that losses may occur if the others were to be sold now.

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Football's very short-term and it is all about perceptions. There's no way we're perceived as a 'big' club at the moment. On the other hand, Spurs have finished above us for the last few seasons, been in Europe (and did okay) and have a manager who's highly reputable. Spurs aren't a 'big' club but they sure as hell are perceived as being bigger than we are at this moment of time.

 

If you can't see that then you're highly ignorant of the way the footballing world works now.

 

So you're not too impressed with Ashley and Morts "plan" to find all these 17 year old Gazza's then instead of getting back asap ?

 

Neither am I. And significantly, neither is the manager.

 

 

 

 

I always agreed with you over that point (in fact I think we were the only ones making it in one thread). However, we did go for Modric, and Woodgate, so the argument doesn't really work anymore. Unless you think they weren't real bids, like the Rooney one?

 

Lets put it this way. I can understand a player choosing manu before us, but I don't understand them choosing Spurs.

 

Have a look at the reaction to the JImmy Greaves comments about Newcastle not being as big as Spurs last month ? Thats some turnaround, the amount of people now saying that they are ..........

 

Currently, Spurs are better than us. They finished above us in the league and won a cup. Next season might be different, but I suspect most footballers are looking at a short term approach these days, seeing how easy it is to get transferred.

 

IN that case, the sooner we make some sort of statement of intent the better, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

Absolutely. If only the £22m bid for Modric had come off eh.

 

of course, just like the bid for Rooney, but we weren't in competition with Manu for Modric though.

 

 

 

We offered more money. What else were we supposed to do? If wages don't attract the player, then it's the job of the manager to sell the club to him. Where did we fail with the Modric bid in your opinion?

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