Newcastle in Turmoil, says Sir Les

[NE5]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

 

[Cajun]

We have already signed one player who I think will probably go straight into the first team. Still time left.

[madras]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

 

it's also about not being tret as a mug (in the transfer market,it's also about getting a decent manager.

 

oh and big turnover means nowt if your outgoings are more than the turnover. it doesn't give you extra spending power.

[NE5]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

[madras]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

what was morts quote....was it before or after the bid for woodgate ?

 

 

don't use allardyces quotes to defend yourself....i expect better of you

 

keegans quotes have been  "we need players and the club are doing all they can to get them" type thing

[Dave]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

 

Easy example seeing as we were just discussing it is Aimar. Nothing at all to suggest we even wanted him but you swallowed the Mirror and Mail's stories about us offering poor wages and were all over it like a rash complaining on here.

 

The record of the club in the transfer market? I agree things aren't too exciting just yet but last summer nearly everyone was happy with the business and I can't remember you making much noise. You only pipe up when things go wrong. Funny that.

[NE5]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

it's also about not being tret as a mug (in the transfer market,it's also about getting a decent manager.

 

oh and big turnover means nowt if your outgoings are more than the turnover. it doesn't give you extra spending power.

 

Mugs supported the club when they sold our best players for decades and ended up with one foot in the 3rd division as a result. Like me. All 20,000 of us. Those 30,000 who were attracted back to the club because the club showed intent to punch our weight and compete at the level we should have been at were, in fact, also mugs for missing out on the good old days when we were never embarrassed, never had "debts due to stadium expansion" and didn't spend money that we never had because we bought players from the 3rd and 4th divisions.

 

Except nobody was interested, hence the failed share issue too, in 1991.

 

Nobody is denying that in the last few years they appointed Souness and gave him too much money, and allowed him to get rid of good players for peanuts too, but hey madras, people like me said this at the time, and said where we would end up because of it, and others said we should continue backing him [with more money we didn't have ] ? The same people now slating for the debt do you think ?

 

At the end of the day though, the same principle applies. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle.

[UV]

Or they could have decided to spend the money elsewhere as there wasn't anyone else who they thought was the same value for money?

 

Are you claiming that the club's policy is to purchase players based on VFM regardless of the positions which the manager thinks are the most in need of improvement? I'd hope that wasn't the case. Would also be a bit of an indictment of this great new scouting structure that's been put in place if the the only available person on the list at that level of ability was Modric.

[Cajun]

Well I wouldn't want us spending way over the odds for players, I know that shows a real lack of ambition as a supporter but thats just the way I am.

 

Arshavin is a prime example of this, him being valued at something like £23m now!

[NE5]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

 

Easy example seeing as we were just discussing it is Aimar. Nothing at all to suggest we even wanted him but you swallowed the Mirror and Mail's stories about us offering poor wages and were all over it like a rash complaining on here.

 

The record of the club in the transfer market? I agree things aren't too exciting just yet but last summer nearly everyone was happy with the business and I can't remember you making much noise. You only pipe up when things go wrong. Funny that.

 

Well, why didn't he come ? Why don't you see they are not selling the club very well ? Point is, everything the club has said and done points to the fact that the story in the mirror and Mail may have substance.

 

Its really up to the club to show they are ambitious isn't it, and show they are being misrepresented if this is the case ? The balls in their court.

 

 

 

 

[madras]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

it's also about not being tret as a mug (in the transfer market,it's also about getting a decent manager.

 

oh and big turnover means nowt if your outgoings are more than the turnover. it doesn't give you extra spending power.

 

Mugs supported the club when they sold our best players for decades and ended up with one foot in the 3rd division as a result. Like me. All 20,000 of us. Those 30,000 who were attracted back to the club because the club showed intent to punch our weight and compete at the level we should have been at were, in fact, also mugs for missing out on the good old days when we were never embarrassed, never had "debts due to stadium expansion" and didn't spend money that we never had because we bought players from the 3rd and 4th divisions.

 

Except nobody was interested, hence the failed share issue too, in 1991.

 

Nobody is denying that in the last few years they appointed Souness and gave him too much money, and allowed him to get rid of good players for peanuts too, but hey madras, people like me said this at the time, and said where we would end up because of it, and others said we should continue backing him [with more money we didn't have ] ? The same people now slating for the debt do you think ?

 

At the end of the day though, the same principle applies. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle.

if you buy too many raffle tickets you cant afford to eat.

 

 

building up some debt is ok...keeping on piling it on isn't. you yourself go on about the massive turnover but that was increasingly used on wages rather than improving the club. amazing that we spent so much on wages with such a small squad while struggling in the lower reaches of mid table

[Cajun]

Was it ever confirmed we were in for Aimar?

[Dave]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

 

Easy example seeing as we were just discussing it is Aimar. Nothing at all to suggest we even wanted him but you swallowed the Mirror and Mail's stories about us offering poor wages and were all over it like a rash complaining on here.

 

The record of the club in the transfer market? I agree things aren't too exciting just yet but last summer nearly everyone was happy with the business and I can't remember you making much noise. You only pipe up when things go wrong. Funny that.

 

Well, why didn't he come ? Why don't you see they are not selling the club very well ? Point is, everything the club has said and done points to the fact that the story in the mirror and Mail may have substance.

 

Its really up to the club to show they are ambitious isn't it, and show they are being misrepresented if this is the case ? The balls in their court.

 

:lol:

 

Why didn't he come? You tell me, you know exactly what's going on unlike the rest of us that have heard NOTHING from anyone at the club about it.

 

Or maybe you don't. Again, your post there contains a stark admission that you DO listen to the papers when it suits your argument.

 

Just for a giggle, what will your response be if we sign Coloccini? A highly-rated player with 27 caps for Argentina, at 26 in the prime of his career and supposedly going to cost us nearly £10m.

 

I hope we sign him, do you?

[madras]

Was it ever confirmed we were in for Aimar?

not that i'm aware

[NE5]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

what was morts quote....was it before or after the bid for woodgate ?

 

 

don't use allardyces quotes to defend yourself....i expect better of you

 

keegans quotes have been  "we need players and the club are doing all they can to get them" type thing

 

Didn;t Mort say in November "we won't be buying anybody in january unless they are young and for the future". Words to that effect, with no regard or knowledge of who the manager wanted, who would be available, and what position the club would be in ?

How short sighted is that ?

 

Keegans comments after the Chelsea game spoke volumes.

 

OK I won't mention Allardyce complaining about them not moving quickly enough and complaining about not getting support behind the scenes.

 

The proof so far is the actual transfer activity.

 

 

[Cajun]

That could go some way to explaining why he didn't come

[madras]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

what was morts quote....was it before or after the bid for woodgate ?

 

 

don't use allardyces quotes to defend yourself....i expect better of you

 

keegans quotes have been  "we need players and the club are doing all they can to get them" type thing

 

Didn;t Mort say in November "we won't be buying anybody in january unless they are young and for the future". Words to that effect, with no regard or knowledge of who the manager wanted, who would be available, and what position the club would be in ?

How short sighted is that ?

 

Keegans comments after the Chelsea game spoke volumes.

 

OK I won't mention Allardyce complaining about them not moving quickly enough and complaining about not getting support behind the scenes.

 

The proof so far is the actual transfer activity.

 

 

he did and thats the way the top clubs are doing it...think of the last 27 year old outfield player man utd or arsenal signed

 

and then he did bid for woodgate in january.

 

 

 

the only proof is on sept 1st

[NE5]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

it's also about not being tret as a mug (in the transfer market,it's also about getting a decent manager.

 

oh and big turnover means nowt if your outgoings are more than the turnover. it doesn't give you extra spending power.

 

Mugs supported the club when they sold our best players for decades and ended up with one foot in the 3rd division as a result. Like me. All 20,000 of us. Those 30,000 who were attracted back to the club because the club showed intent to punch our weight and compete at the level we should have been at were, in fact, also mugs for missing out on the good old days when we were never embarrassed, never had "debts due to stadium expansion" and didn't spend money that we never had because we bought players from the 3rd and 4th divisions.

 

Except nobody was interested, hence the failed share issue too, in 1991.

 

Nobody is denying that in the last few years they appointed Souness and gave him too much money, and allowed him to get rid of good players for peanuts too, but hey madras, people like me said this at the time, and said where we would end up because of it, and others said we should continue backing him [with more money we didn't have ] ? The same people now slating for the debt do you think ?

 

At the end of the day though, the same principle applies. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle.

if you buy too many raffle tickets you cant afford to eat.

 

 

building up some debt is ok...keeping on piling it on isn't. you yourself go on about the massive turnover but that was increasingly used on wages rather than improving the club. amazing that we spent so much on wages with such a small squad while struggling in the lower reaches of mid table

 

desperate attempt to justify your agenda.

 

At the end of the day, the bad old days of playing in europe more often than everyone but 4 teams says everything.

 

 

[Cajun]

That was a long time ago now, since then we made two poor recruitments and ended up where we are now. Obviously though thats all Ashleys fault

[madras]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

just thought i'd quote this again in case he missed it the first time

 

I've answered this before madras. People will just say we are going over old ground again if I answer it again.

 

Quality players, 1st choice signings. No top figure, but act like the big club we are. Spending a few million quid when we clearly need at least 3 player to go straight into the team is not behaving like a top club with a big turnover.

 

I don't think you understand this to be honest do you ?

 

It's not just about money, its about paying it where you need to and not capping him and forcing him to go 2nd best.

 

it's also about not being tret as a mug (in the transfer market,it's also about getting a decent manager.

 

oh and big turnover means nowt if your outgoings are more than the turnover. it doesn't give you extra spending power.

 

Mugs supported the club when they sold our best players for decades and ended up with one foot in the 3rd division as a result. Like me. All 20,000 of us. Those 30,000 who were attracted back to the club because the club showed intent to punch our weight and compete at the level we should have been at were, in fact, also mugs for missing out on the good old days when we were never embarrassed, never had "debts due to stadium expansion" and didn't spend money that we never had because we bought players from the 3rd and 4th divisions.

 

Except nobody was interested, hence the failed share issue too, in 1991.

 

Nobody is denying that in the last few years they appointed Souness and gave him too much money, and allowed him to get rid of good players for peanuts too, but hey madras, people like me said this at the time, and said where we would end up because of it, and others said we should continue backing him [with more money we didn't have ] ? The same people now slating for the debt do you think ?

 

At the end of the day though, the same principle applies. If you don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle.

if you buy too many raffle tickets you cant afford to eat.

 

 

building up some debt is ok...keeping on piling it on isn't. you yourself go on about the massive turnover but that was increasingly used on wages rather than improving the club. amazing that we spent so much on wages with such a small squad while struggling in the lower reaches of mid table

 

desperate attempt to justify your agenda.

 

At the end of the day, the bad old days of playing in europe more often than everyone but 4 teams says everything.

 

 

4 top half finishes in 11 years isn't it ?

[NE5]

Everything that has come out? Top two targets? From where are you getting this info?

 

I'm not really bothered what the cockney press say about us, or our players.

 

Except when it suits.

 

examples ?

 

Mort, Allardyce and Keegan made quotes. The evidence of that and the record of the club in the transfer market in the last year is proof of the situation so far.

 

I could say that people believe statements made by Shepherd that were taken out of context, and so its the same thing.

 

Truth is Dave, I don't take those or any comments seriously, the only things I do notice is like others, certain cockney journalists have it in for us whatever we do, so no I don't take any notice of what they print. I don't take notice of them when they say Ashley is building up the club for a sale, but I do wonder what his motivation is ? So I'm just going by the clubs results and the evidence of the players we've signed and statements by the people who know. I've also told you what happens to the clubs crowds when they stop showing ambition.

 

 

 

Easy example seeing as we were just discussing it is Aimar. Nothing at all to suggest we even wanted him but you swallowed the Mirror and Mail's stories about us offering poor wages and were all over it like a rash complaining on here.

 

The record of the club in the transfer market? I agree things aren't too exciting just yet but last summer nearly everyone was happy with the business and I can't remember you making much noise. You only pipe up when things go wrong. Funny that.

 

Well, why didn't he come ? Why don't you see they are not selling the club very well ? Point is, everything the club has said and done points to the fact that the story in the mirror and Mail may have substance.

 

Its really up to the club to show they are ambitious isn't it, and show they are being misrepresented if this is the case ? The balls in their court.

 

:lol:

 

Why didn't he come? You tell me, you know exactly what's going on unlike the rest of us that have heard NOTHING from anyone at the club about it.

 

Or maybe you don't. Again, your post there contains a stark admission that you DO listen to the papers when it suits your argument.

 

Just for a giggle, what will your response be if we sign Coloccini? A highly-rated player with 27 caps for Argentina, at 26 in the prime of his career and supposedly going to cost us nearly £10m.

 

I hope we sign him, do you?

 

I'd rather we signed a forward for that money. I'm assuming Keegan has a limited transfer budget here. Thing is, with players like Taylor in the backround, and Edgar, Enrique, Faye and Beye, people would be saying it was an unnecessary trophy signing just like they did when Duff signed. So whats the difference ?

 

You can't have enough good players, but I would rather put it towards a striker to replace Viduka.

 

On the other hand, if he buys 2 quality forward players on top, I'll be very happy about it.

 

What are you going to say if we go into september with not too much more than right now ?

 

I don't know why you have put those smillies, its a perfectly valid point and doing it in a discussion like this lets you down a bit, and makes me think you really don't understand this point about showing ambition.

 

 

 

 

 

[Cajun]

A lot of people don't think Edgar or Taylor are good enough (a few think Faye aswell) so I don't see how a quality centre back is a "trophy" signing.

[Dave]

Taylor is alright, Faye is alright, Edgar has promise but other than that we have no central defenders. I think someone like Coloccini is certainly needed back there. Why bring Duff up again? Just trolling tbh.

 

If we go into September as we are now I won't be happy. I've always said that.

[NE5]

A lot of people don't think Edgar or Taylor are good enough (a few think Faye aswell) so I don't see how a quality centre back is a "trophy" signing.

 

A lot of people didn't realise that Solano was near the end of his career and a lot of people didn't realise that zoggy was still very young and unlikely to play anywhere near a whole season either. But it still didn't stop there personality driven agendas.

 

I don't see how under those circumstances Duff was a "trophy signing " either especially when he was only a Chelsea squad player too.

 

 

[Dave]

I don't know why you have put those smillies, its a perfectly valid point and doing it in a discussion like this lets you down a bit, and makes me think you really don't understand this point about showing ambition.

 

I put those smilies because your argument on Aimar makes no sense whatsoever. How can you, I or anyone on this board answer why he didn't come, when we don't even know whether the club wanted him or not? It's complete nonsense. You might as well ask why Ronaldinho didn't come, or why Marcus fucking Bent didn't come.