Still an Ashleyite? Who's with me?

[Baggio]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Aye.

[madras]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

dunno bout that like. it was common knowledge that he had stormed out under john hall (no- like-it-said-in-thebrochure-gate)and we recovered.

[johnnypd]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

we don't know what has happened so it is a bit early to be making these sorts of definite conclusions. the media were going off unknown sources so keegan couldnt do much about that. it may be that he called friends and told them he'd been sacked, but i'm sure had he done this, he would've believed it were true. there's a story going about that llambias sacked him and ashley has been trying to undo that action since then.

[Incognito]

As long as Ashley now understands the value of Kevin Keegan to this club,and sorts the clubs structure accordingly,this could turn out to be a good thing.

[TRon]

I'm just glad we managed to get £12m for Milner before Keegan was in a position to pull a plug on that deal.

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

[Cronky]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

[madras]

I'm just glad we managed to get £12m for Milner before Keegan was in a position to pull a plug on that deal.

and sign jonas and coloccini while he wasn't looking.

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

[Baggio]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

You're making out Keegan's some sort of reincarnation of Emily Davison ffs.

[Robster]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Robbie Keane

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

You're making out Keegan's some sort of reincarnation of Emily Davison ffs.

 

FFS indeed if you don't think Keegan is as passionate as Ms Davison....

[Cronky]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

 

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

 

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

[Cronky]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Robbie Keane

 

I should have added - and who isn't in the Champions League.

[Robster]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Robbie Keane

 

I should have added - and who isn't in the Champions League.

 

Fair point

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

 

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

 

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date...

 

Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager.

[NJS]

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Is minimal net spend realistic for a club looking to improve?

 

 

[Cronky]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

 

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

 

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date...

 

Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager.

 

Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment.

[Cronky]

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Is minimal net spend realistic for a club looking to improve?

 

 

I think we have improved. Don't you?

[NJS]

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Is minimal net spend realistic for a club looking to improve?

 

 

I think we have improved. Don't you?

 

Possibly - we'll see -  but at the moment I can see us maybe finishing around tenth. I do think a reasonable splurge (nothing daft) could have made a challenge for 6th possible.

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

 

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

 

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date...

 

Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager.

 

Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment.

 

Fair comment. However, I believe the reason that Ashley "wrapped" himself up in the likes of Wise and Jimenez et al is that he wants to surround himself in London based like-minded individuals that he can manipulate; that gives himself some protection.

 

As to Ferguson's passion, well.... Keegan is/was passionate about NUFC as passionate as Ferguson is about NUFC but only until the likes of the shopkeeper drained the life/power out of him with his meddling.

[NJS]

Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment.

 

I think most reasonable people think theres a place for teamwork - Scolari when asked about Robhino on Sunday said he didn't have a clue which is fine. Identification is also fine. I think its the idea of players bought unseen or put up for sale without approval that most people see as a step too far.

 

 

[Cronky]

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Is minimal net spend realistic for a club looking to improve?

 

 

I think we have improved. Don't you?

 

Possibly - we'll see -  but at the moment I can see us maybe finishing around tenth. I do think a reasonable splurge (nothing daft) could have made a challenge for 6th possible.

 

General point here - Wenger has proved that it's not necessarily about how much money you spend - it's what you know, and how good you are at identifying the up and coming players. Ashley has assembled a team that I think are good at that. Keegan seems all out to fuck it up.

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment.

 

I think most reasonable people think theres a place for teamwork - Scolari when asked about Robhino on Sunday said he didn't have a clue which is fine. Identification is also fine. I think its the idea of players bought unseen or put up for sale without approval that most people see as a step too far.

 

 

 

Exactly. As per Curbishley today...

[madras]

Keegan has to go. Ultimately, Ashley might have to sell up and go as well, because there will be so much hostility towards him. But if anyone thinks that normal service can resume after this fiasco, then they're kidding themselves. What decent player, who has other options, is going to join a club where there's clear tension between owner and manager and any second the manager might storm off.

 

Such a public airing of dirty linen is making the club look like a shambles, and Keegan is to blame. He either had to sort it out privately, or quit. He probably thinks it's clever to manipulate the owner by getting the fans on his side like this, and a lot of people seem to agree. But what he's actually doing is making the place look like a ship without a rudder.

 

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed.

 

My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK?

 

Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players.

 

In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic?

 

Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date...

 

Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager.

 

Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment.

 

Fair comment. However, I believe the reason that Ashley "wrapped" himself up in the likes of Wise and Jimenez et al is that he wants to surround himself in London based like-minded individuals that he can manipulate; that gives himself some protection.

 

As to Ferguson's passion, well.... Keegan is/was passionate about NUFC as passionate as Ferguson is about NUFC but only until the likes of the shopkeeper drained the life/power out of him with his meddling.

might get knocked down on this but i thought wise and vetere were jiminez's plan. ashley was big pals with jiminez and it was tony that had a plan and brought the others in.