Dave Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 or how about a striker who is currently worth a certain amount but in a years time is worth a lot more. That would be nice because he'll have had to have done well. Then we'll perhaps sell him for a bid 'too good to turn down'. At what point should such a turnover of players cease to any degree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I still believe that Carroll is irreplaceable for us. Yes we can bring in a couple players across the rest of the team but where exactly are we going to significantly improve with the money? We've a good back four (granted Jose might be off but the money coming in for him should pay for his replacement), a nice balanced midfield when everyone's available and then up top we had one of the best young forwards in the world. All we need was a good strike partner (although with a fully fit Ben Arfa playing off of him we might've had this covered already) and 2 or 3 squad players/backup to really compete within the top 10 IMO. The chances of now bringing in a player who brought as much to the team as Carroll are minimal. He scored, made assists, held up play. You can bring any amount of £10mish strikers but they just won't bring as much to the team as he could. Also his departure seemed to really disrupt the team, Jose seemed very happy before it happened, it seems to have brought a couple of doubts to Barton's mind. In short the team was much, much more healthier with Carroll than with the £35m IMO. i think a left midfielder, proper centre midfielder and at least another forward, with the carroll money could have us in better shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 How about a £15m striker and several £6-8m players in other areas? A £15m striker will command a £15m striker's wages, which we won't pay. how much does a 15mill striker want ? More than a £5m striker, at a guess. I just don't see us making a single signing anywhere near that big, hence our bet. don't worry i haven't forgotten. over 8mill wasn't it ? using your theory i'd guess tiote is now on at least 10mill players wages. Double figures I thought, will have to check. Tiote is slightly different because he was already here. If we'd signed him for £10m do you think we'd have given him this new contract already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Over £8m, you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 How about a £15m striker and several £6-8m players in other areas? A £15m striker will command a £15m striker's wages, which we won't pay. how much does a 15mill striker want ? More than a £5m striker, at a guess. I just don't see us making a single signing anywhere near that big, hence our bet. don't worry i haven't forgotten. over 8mill wasn't it ? using your theory i'd guess tiote is now on at least 10mill players wages. Double figures I thought, will have to check. Tiote is slightly different because he was already here. If we'd signed him for £10m do you think we'd have given him this new contract already? yes if they felt he was worth it. i'd also say he's on more now than he would have been had he been signed for 10mill from twente. (it's true that domestic players tend to command higher transfer fees and wages but i'm fucked if i can understand why ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Over £8m, you're right. fuck me, have you a seperate 3gb memory just for your bookmarks ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 No, but the forum has a search function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 No, but the forum has a search function. what did you search "madras bet" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'd rather have one £35m-rated striker (who actually cost £0m) than any number of £5m-rated strikers. But then, play it 'safe', and you could spend £50 million on a striker (or keep your £35 million rated striker) and for one reason or another they stop producing the goods and you're left with Lovenkrands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I don't understand your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Why not? By all accounts Carroll was due to be offered that this summer. All accounts? Can only think of Pardew and the Board, which doesn't count for much. And contradictorily, it's also been said Tiote's new contract came from the Carroll money, suggesting any supposedly inflated Carroll contract would've had to have been financed by his own sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I still believe that Carroll is irreplaceable for us. Yes we can bring in a couple players across the rest of the team but where exactly are we going to significantly improve with the money? We've a good back four (granted Jose might be off but the money coming in for him should pay for his replacement), a nice balanced midfield when everyone's available and then up top we had one of the best young forwards in the world. All we needed was a good strike partner (although with a fully fit Ben Arfa playing off of him we might've had this covered already) and 2 or 3 squad players/backup to really compete within the top 10 IMO. The chances of now bringing in a player who brought as much to the team as Carroll are minimal. He scored, made assists, held up play. You can bring any amount of £10mish strikers but they just won't bring as much to the team as he could. Also his departure seemed to really disrupt the team, Jose seemed very happy before it happened, it seems to have brought a couple of doubts to Barton's mind. In short the team was much, much more healthier with Carroll than with the £35m IMO. You make some very good points there. The only way I could see the team progressing is to use all the money on two pacy, mobile strikers and play a more fluid style than we were under Carroll. But as you say, whether they're available for £10/15m is another matter. Also, Pardew has already spoken about playing Ben Arfa in the hole, so guess we shouldn't be surprised if there is only one addition up front. A top quality centreback could improve the spine I reckon, but it's unlikely to be a priority. Unfortunately, it's happened now. Here's hoping Graeme Carr has already identified a gem or two. One thing is - you would think there must at least be some kind of pressure now at the club to come up with some quality buys in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Why not? By all accounts Carroll was due to be offered that this summer. All accounts? Can only think of Pardew and the Board, which doesn't count for much. And contradictorily, it's also been said Tiote's new contract came from the Carroll money, suggesting any supposedly inflated Carroll contract would've had to have been financed by his own sale. Doesn't count for much? Pardew's only the manager and the board kind of decides who can be offered how much Fair point on the second bit though, no idea where the money for Carroll's new contract were supposed to come from, you don't know and I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Over £8m, you're right. Interesting bet I must say, one to keep an eye on. Can appreciate people putting their wallet where their mouth is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Why not? By all accounts Carroll was due to be offered that this summer. All accounts? Can only think of Pardew and the Board, which doesn't count for much. And contradictorily, it's also been said Tiote's new contract came from the Carroll money, suggesting any supposedly inflated Carroll contract would've had to have been financed by his own sale. Doesn't count for much? Pardew's only the manager and the board kind of decides who can be offered how much Fair point on the second bit though, no idea where the money for Carroll's new contract were supposed to come from, you don't know and I don't know. Well, 'all the accounts' that suggest Dave was wrong in thinking we will happily pay a £15m striker's accompanying wages come from three very interested parties who are all on one side of an argument, so it's hardly as circumspect a case as ON seemed to be suggesting. An old argument, but they're not the most trustworthy bunch either. Various other facts + statements go to suggest he isn't wrong, though, as you kind of note regarding my second point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Why not? By all accounts Carroll was due to be offered that this summer. All accounts? Can only think of Pardew and the Board, which doesn't count for much. And contradictorily, it's also been said Tiote's new contract came from the Carroll money, suggesting any supposedly inflated Carroll contract would've had to have been financed by his own sale. Doesn't count for much? Pardew's only the manager and the board kind of decides who can be offered how much Fair point on the second bit though, no idea where the money for Carroll's new contract were supposed to come from, you don't know and I don't know. Well, 'all the accounts' that suggest Dave was wrong in thinking we will happily pay a £15m striker's accompanying wages come from three very interested parties who are all on one side of an argument, so it's hardly as circumspect a case as ON seemed to be suggesting. An old argument, but they're not the most trustworthy bunch either. Various other facts + statements go to suggest he isn't wrong, though, as you kind of note regarding my second point. When I say, I don't know I mean exactly that, not inferring that we don't have the money or that Pardew + board is lying as you seem to do. Not very sure what you mean by " three very interested parties who are all on one side of an argument" though? Which three parties and which side of an argument are they on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's fucking kicking himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's fucking kicking himself They're no better than us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 He was shite. Glad we got the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Just a shit Ameobi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's f***ing kicking himself course he's not, HE got exactly what HE wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's f***ing kicking himself course he's not, HE got exactly what HE wanted. He certainly did, an ambitious club desperate to progress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's f***ing kicking himself course he's not, HE got exactly what HE wanted. He certainly did, an ambitious club desperate to progress and 80kpw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's f***ing kicking himself course he's not, HE got exactly what HE wanted. He certainly did, an ambitious club desperate to progress and 80kpw Icing on the cake, good luck to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 We're now 14 points behind his new club, I bet he's f***ing kicking himself course he's not, HE got exactly what HE wanted. He certainly did, an ambitious club desperate to progress and 80kpw Icing on the cake, good luck to him do you think we should compete with those wages ? if so, how ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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