BottledDog Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 JH still holding onto the official line as if his life depended on it Youre holding on to the titanic, man. It's sinking. wtf? I'm not holding onto the official line at all. I'm not absolving Ashley of all the blame, but the fact is Carroll handed in a transfer request (if that wasn't true, he would come out and say "I didn't hand in a transfer request"). He is yet to explain how anyone could force him to hand in a transfer request, and until he does all I can think is that he did it because he wanted to leave. In addition to this question that JH has been asking many times over (that nobody seems to be answering), 2 additional questions remain that blow holes into the conspiracy theory 1) If Carroll didn't want to go and and didn't hand in the transfer request, then why the fuck did he agree personal terms with Liverpool? Was fat Mike sitting next to him in Anfield with a gun at his back saying..."sign the contract or you mother fucker"? 2) Given his past actions and the fact that he does not care about what we think of him, why would fat Mike suddenly be PR conscious and try to look good to the fans? Think he knows himself that it is a lost cause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. With you there, man. Can't say I trust any of them more than one another tbh. I trust Andy a hell of a lot more than Derek tbh. The same andy that has said he asked for new contract. That is fact, and fits in with most of Pardews views of Events. I don't think it is Pardew that's the problem or liar, just Derek playing his evil puppet show:"We didn't force anybody to leave." "I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January - where would it stop? "Personally, I'm disappointed. He's a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can't change that. Was this about football? That's what you have to ask. I don't think it was." vs. "I was in talks about a new contract and talking to the gaffer about that. "He told me that they are now not going to give me a contract. That was as soon as the offer of £30m came in. "So I asked why (I wasn’t getting a new contract) and he said his hands were tied. "He said it wasn’t up to him. Then a £35m bid got accepted. "And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club. "Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them. "So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected. "And then Derek asked me to hand in a transfer request. So I was pushed into a corner and had no choice. "I wasn’t wanted by them and they made it clear they wanted the money. "Then I flew down in his (Ashley’s) helicopter. I didn’t want to leave. "I’m gutted that I wasn’t wanted at my home team after everything I’ve done and progress I’ve made. "I didn’t want to leave at all. Make sure they know I didn’t want to leave. "The players, staff and fans were fantastic." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Presser clips on SSN NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thought of the evil midget puppet monster Derek Llambias, backing the monster manboy Andy Carroll into a corner cowering in fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll sounds like he's making shit up.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pards told him to put it in writing... hmmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pards told him to put it in writing... hmmm The transfer request? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pards told him to put it in writing... hmmm The transfer request? That he wanted a new deal and if not he wanted to be allowed to talk to Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Happens every single transfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Should be, but it is normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thought of the evil midget puppet monster Derek Llambias, backing the monster manboy Andy Carroll into a corner cowering in fear. No matter what he is still a 22-year-old kid, having to make decisions of a size most people never have to. It makes perfect sense to me if he feels like being put in a corner if Derek (or his agent or both) actually told him to hand in a transfer request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Happens every single transfer What? The club contacting the player and telling them how much they would pay him if he would be willing to sign for them prior to any deal being close to being struck? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pards told him to put it in writing... hmmm The transfer request? That he wanted a new deal and if not he wanted to be allowed to talk to Liverpool I'm guessing, Carroll didn't deliver it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Happens every single transfer And probably standard approach on deadline day, to allow things to happen quicker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Happens every single transfer What? The club contacting the player and telling them how much they would pay him if he would be willing to sign for them? Just about, clubs don't report it as they do it themselves. Why on earth did Rooney put a request in! Cos he knew how much city would pay him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? I'm sure his agent had been fully informed (the smooth and quick signing of terms with Liverpool last night would certainly suggest that too). If this was prior to the bid being accepted and Carroll being allowed to speak to Liverpool, is that not considered tapping up? Happens every single transfer What? The club contacting the player and telling them how much they would pay him if he would be willing to sign for them? Just about, clubs don't report it as they do it themselves. Why on earth did Rooney put a request in! Cos he knew how much city would pay him. In the case of Man City you would probably just assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayno Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 No idea why, but i'd sooner trust Pardew than Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 No idea why, but i'd sooner trust Pardew than Carroll Probably because Pardew doesn't look like ManBearPig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll in Dubai the same time as Dogleash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thump 1892 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What actually happened: Liverpool: "£30m for Andy Carroll? We'd like this to be dealt with ASAP as we need cover so we can sell Torres for a ridiculous amount of money." Newcastle: "Hm... that's not a terrible bid, but I'm afraid we'll have to reject it. Sorry." Liverpool: "Okay, okay, £35m plus add ons." Newcastle: "Very tempting. Tell you what, give us an hour or so." Andy Carroll is called into the room. Newcastle: "So, Liverpool are offering a huge amount of money for you and we'd like to accept it. How do you feel about this?" Andy: "Really? They'll offer me more money! I'd love to stay at NUFC and wear the number 9 for many years but only if you can match Liverpool's wages." Newcastle: "lol no" Andy: "Please?" Newcastle: "You've only just signed a contract, we can't renegotiate now. We said we'd look at it in the summer and that stands." Andy: "I'd like to speak to my agent." Andy leaves to talk to his agent. Agent: "Liverpool are in for you? My god! I'll be rich!" Andy: "So I should take it?" Agent: "We'll hand in a transfer request right now!" Andy receives another text from Steve Wraith. He tells him what the fans want to hear - bad press for the 'cockney mafia' - largely to save face so he doesn't go down in history as the most traitorous number 9 we have ever had. They enter the board room again. Andy: "After speaking with my agent, I've decided I can't possibly live off £40,000 a week and have therefore decided to hand in a transfer request." Newcastle: "Suits us, righto." Cue Mike, Derek and Alan popping Dom Perignon and Cristal and smoking Cuban's. Summary: Everybody is in the wrong and while we got a good amount of money for it, we should never have let him go. Likewise should Andy have simply refused terms with Liverpool; he remains to be the most traitorous number 9 we've ever had and the board strongly hint at a huge lack of ambition once again. Such is the soap opera of Newcastle United Football Club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 No idea why, but i'd sooner trust Pardew than Carroll But how much does Pardew actually know. This board have a knack for doing things behind peoples backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was out all day yesterday so couldn't properly follow what happened in full. Would it be correct to say that a 30m bid came in, was rejected, then a 35m bid came in, Carroll said I want a new contract (with presumably higher wages), Cashley and Lambias said no, so Carroll puts in a transfer request to make it easier for the transfer to be made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was out all day yesterday so couldn't properly follow what happened in full. Would it be correct to say that a 30m bid came in, was rejected, then a 35m bid came in, Carroll said I want a new contract (with presumably higher wages), Cashley and Lambias said no, so Carroll puts in a transfer request to make it easier for the transfer to be made? yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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