Guest fading star Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 And Mort, Joe and Harris? Mort left the club 8 months ago and hasn't really commented since then, the other two have mentioned it a couple of times, that's hardly "never stop mentioning it." Mere semantics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Is that not where I'm supposed to post a random smiley then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 And Mort, Joe and Harris? Mort left the club 8 months ago and hasn't really commented since then, the other two have mentioned it a couple of times, that's hardly "never stop mentioning it." Mere semantics The irony is you don't know what that means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 To be fair I think he's right. If he bought the club expecting not to have to put a lot of money in then he's mental. To use a ridiculously simple example if I spent all my money on a house and then the roof started caving in I wouldn't just leave it, i'd find the money from somewhere so that in the long term it was still a sound investment. I wouldn't just leave it to get worse, or to f***ing collapse, saying I haven't got the money at the moment but when I have i'll sort it. The main point seems to be the high wages. We could still buy players now and then let the likes of Owen, Butt, Geremi and Viduka go in the summer. Obviously the wages would increase for 4/5 months but the costs of going down would be a lot worse. And with this stingy b****** in charge the wages of the players coming in are sure to be a lot less. He bought the club for £134 million and knew that we had in the region of £70 million debt. The roof coming off has cost him £40 million above that so you could say that he has been able to afford it. The problem is that the walls seem to have started to come down and he may not be able to afford that on top of the roof repairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fading star Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 And Mort, Joe and Harris? Mort left the club 8 months ago and hasn't really commented since then, the other two have mentioned it a couple of times, that's hardly "never stop mentioning it." Mere semantics The irony is you don't know what that means. You had to look it up didn‘t you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 And Mort, Joe and Harris? Mort left the club 8 months ago and hasn't really commented since then, the other two have mentioned it a couple of times, that's hardly "never stop mentioning it." Mere semantics The irony is you don't know what that means. You had to look it up didnt you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? errrr...........ehm....errrr....back your manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? The current alternative is relegation. I'd also point out that nearly all of the "wasters" on high wages were signed under his ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 How does anyone know how much Ashley can and can't afford to spend on the club? There seem to be a lot of his personal bankers on this thread. It seems to me a lot of people defend Ashley because he's not the Shepherd/Halls evil axis. Which will be a comfort if we find ourselves in the Championship this season, or the season after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As Ive already said. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but its wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFCs financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. Hes got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Or Jo instead of Xisco of course? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As Ive already said. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but its wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFCs financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. Hes got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Or Jo instead of Xisco of course? or indeed another alan smith or joey barton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? errrr...........ehm....errrr....back your manager Far too articulate for this boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 How does anyone know how much Ashley can and can't afford to spend on the club? There seem to be a lot of his personal bankers on this thread. It seems to me a lot of people defend Ashley because he's not the Shepherd/Halls evil axis. Which will be a comfort if we find ourselves in the Championship this season, or the season after. That is just as valid a comment for those who thinks he's got plenty to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? The current alternative is relegation. I'd also point out that nearly all of the "wasters" on high wages were signed under his ownership. The current alternative has been the same alternative for 4 years. Dont make this such a simple equation, it isnt, the rot started along time ago, you;d be being extremely naive to suggest that our relegation problems are being caused by this approach, becasue as far as im concerend they came 2 years before we even knew who Ashley was. Maybe a reason why he changed the system? Also not entriely sure but some players were signed before ashley came on board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fading star Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? What if we get relegated? What if the courts come down in favour of Keegan and RFC Mallorca and we have to find another £23m quid from somewhere? What if our home attendances fall below 40,000? Both options are a gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 How does anyone know how much Ashley can and can't afford to spend on the club? There seem to be a lot of his personal bankers on this thread. It seems to me a lot of people defend Ashley because he's not the Shepherd/Halls evil axis. Which will be a comfort if we find ourselves in the Championship this season, or the season after. That is just as valid a comment for those who thinks he's got plenty to spend. I think having a debate about a strategy over 4 or 5 years if he is committed to staying is one thing. What worries people like me, FS and a couple of others is that there seems an unwillingness from his pov to address this window/season and for those who seem to defend him in this thread to think about the here and now. How much he was willing to spend last summer or next summer are worthwhile topics imo - I think asking for funds for emergency plumbing for a fuck off hole in the living room ceiling shouldn't attract too much criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fading star Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Or Jo instead of Xisco of course? or indeed another alan smith or joey barton or ten Barry Fergusons and platoon of JFKs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The current alternative has been the same alternative for 4 years. Dont make this such a simple equation, it isnt, the rot started along time ago, That's twice I've seen you quote 4 years - just to be pedantic 3 years ago we finished 7th (not that I backed Roeder's permanent appointment) - that season showed that a half decent manager can make things work which you suggested when we discussed this this afternoon. Having said that minimal "investment" over the next 2 or 3 years will be fatal no matter where we finish this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I think having a debate about a strategy over 4 or 5 years if he is committed to staying is one thing. What worries people like me, FS and a couple of others is that there seems an unwillingness from his pov to address this window/season and for those who seem to defend him in this thread to think about the here and now. How much he was willing to spend last summer or next summer are worthwhile topics imo - I think asking for funds for emergency plumbing for a f*** off hole in the living room ceiling shouldn't attract too much criticism. If we don't get it right now then we may not have a future and I understand both the spend and not spend arguments. Both are gambles and both carry a kick in the arse if things don't go the way that we hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As Ive already said. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but its wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFCs financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. Hes got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Or Jo instead of Xisco of course? or indeed another alan smith or joey barton or ten Barry Fergusons and platoon of JFKs Or ten Bassongs. You've help us destroy your point, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 So on top of the £100m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) According to the accounts he loaned the club £100 million then added another £10 million. So on top of the £110m he's pumped into the club - how much should he provide in terms of transfer funds, hypothetically spekaing of course? (Assuming of course that he does have £600m just sitting in his bank account) Keep your hair on As I’ve already said…. £25-30m this summer would have done the trick. The squad Keegan inherited contained some quality but lacked balance and confidence, but by the end of the season were playing good football and winning games. If Kev had been allowed to bring in a left back and central midfielder of his choice the squad would have been a lot stronger, and he would have probably accepted the arrival of Xisco and not fallen out with the cockney mafia. For £25m Ashley could have had stability, unity and a squad capable of finishing comfortably in the top half. The extra money from a higher league placing could be worth £3-4m, the longer runs in the cup another £3-4m, sneaking a UEFA cup place another £2-3m, the better attendances next season £5-10m. It might not have worked out exactly like that but it’s wrong to say spending nowt and hoping for the best is the only way to respond to NUFC’s financial problem. An extra £10m-15m extra for Fat Sam to spend might have been the best option. He’s got a proven record of doing a good job on a shoestring, perhaps an extra £10m would have got him Curtis David instead of Rosenthal for example. As it was Ashley decided to spend £5m sacking him. Theres just far too much of that to digest. So you'd carry on adding to the wage bill? And what about the debt and interest payments? You'd leave them unaddressed? What about the jan period and the followign summer? How much money are you willing to give? What about the summer after that? When does the debt get addressed? What if we dont do great and struggle like we're dong now? Then what? Do you carry on reivinvestment with no contingency plan? What if we get relegated? What if the courts come down in favour of Keegan and RFC Mallorca and we have to find another £25m quid from somewhere? What is our home attendances fall below 40,000? Both options are a gamble. Good questions, apply them to your approach because as far as i can see, your paying for it all, as well as going into adminstration, something we'd never recover from. Think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The current alternative has been the same alternative for 4 years. Dont make this such a simple equation, it isnt, the rot started along time ago, That's twice I've seen you quote 4 years - just to be pedantic 3 years ago we finished 7th (not that I backed Roeder's permanent appointment) - that season showed that a half decent manager can make things work which you suggested when we discussed this this afternoon. Having said that minimal "investment" over the next 2 or 3 years will be fatal no matter where we finish this season. So a change of manager changed our fortunes for the season - it doesnt change the fact that it was still a relegation battle, the upturn in fortunes was good will from Souness leaving, roeder proved it the following season that he was incapable as manager. for what its worht i think we will be spending money in the summer, i think thats the period that Ashley will look to take advantage of. Keegan took over this time last year and eventually guided us to a very safe 11th, that doesnt change the fact that last year was a relagation battle as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 for what its worht i think we will be spending money in the summer, i think thats the period that Ashley will look to take advantage of. FWIW I think that will be too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 for what its worht i think we will be spending money in the summer, i think thats the period that Ashley will look to take advantage of. FWIW I think that will be too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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