mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? precisely, and was becoming more and more obvious even before Keegan walked through the door. answer that with relation to my answer to cp40 then, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now Heard yesterday, that we were 5th when he took over. I dont know how anybody can be behind him and retain any credibility. 5th when he took over? Do you mean in the league? Because he bought us at the end of the season when we finished 13th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now Heard yesterday, that we were 5th when he took over. I dont know how anybody can be behind him and retain any credibility. 5th when he took over? Do you mean in the league? Because he bought us at the end of the season when we finished 13th. was thinking the same, even did the reverse alphabet in case he'd switched the league table at the start of the season, didn't work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 We'll get rid of a few high earners, but keep most of the deadwood, make pub league signings like Ryan Taylor (who has been fucking gash) and struggle again. We're just not a big or good club right now, and two words to prove that: Joe Kinnear. not Joe Kinnear, but Mike Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. dude i know what you're saying all along and if it was a ford cortina we were talking about that needed a new gearbox i'd agree, but for a man to invest 250m+ and then remain motionless as it could potentially be reduced to 0 is unfathomable in my mind i think you're right, to a small extent; i think he'll outlay the smallest amount of money possible to keep us ticking over and potentially stay up/get promoted but i can't allow the thought to enter my mind that he'd let what you're saying happen it's surely never happened in the history of business nevermind football/sport? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. dude i know what you're saying all along and if it was a ford cortina we were talking about that needed a new gearbox i'd agree, but for a man to invest 250m+ and then remain motionless as it could potentially be reduced to 0 is unfathomable in my mind i think you're right, to a small extent; i think he'll outlay the smallest amount of money possible to keep us ticking over and potentially stay up/get promoted but i can't allow the thought to enter my mind that he'd let what you're saying happen it's surely never happened in the history of business nevermind football/sport? It does seem absurd, its the only thoery i can find that fits whats going on. that he has accepted , he has made a huge loss on his purchase, and wont lose anymore money on it. And that he will not invest, in attempt, to re establish the value in the business. In other words, he will not speculate, to recover his losses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. dude i know what you're saying all along and if it was a ford cortina we were talking about that needed a new gearbox i'd agree, but for a man to invest 250m+ and then remain motionless as it could potentially be reduced to 0 is unfathomable in my mind i think you're right, to a small extent; i think he'll outlay the smallest amount of money possible to keep us ticking over and potentially stay up/get promoted but i can't allow the thought to enter my mind that he'd let what you're saying happen it's surely never happened in the history of business nevermind football/sport? It does seem absurd, its the only thoery i can find that fits whats going on. that he has accepted , he has made a huge loss on his purchase, and wont lose anymore money on it. And that he will not invest, in attempt, to re establish the value in the business. In other words, he will not speculate, to recover his losses. fits in with the rest of his portfolio these days, agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. dude i know what you're saying all along and if it was a ford cortina we were talking about that needed a new gearbox i'd agree, but for a man to invest 250m+ and then remain motionless as it could potentially be reduced to 0 is unfathomable in my mind i think you're right, to a small extent; i think he'll outlay the smallest amount of money possible to keep us ticking over and potentially stay up/get promoted but i can't allow the thought to enter my mind that he'd let what you're saying happen it's surely never happened in the history of business nevermind football/sport? It does seem absurd, its the only thoery i can find that fits whats going on. that he has accepted , he has made a huge loss on his purchase, and wont lose anymore money on it. And that he will not invest, in attempt, to re establish the value in the business. In other words, he will not speculate, to recover his losses. fits in with the rest of his portfolio these days, agreed Assuming we are on the right lines, the question, is, where can this policy see us end up? Championship, or lower? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley will, let the club settle at whatever level, it reaches break even or a small profit. Untill he sells. Be that championship, or league 1 , thats what he will do. what does that even mean? He will reduce spending, till he breaks even, or makes a profit, regardless of where that has the team ending up. We could be relegated a couple of times while he makes the club self sufficient. Please tell me you can understand that. Shall i draw you a picture? you're talking about him reducing an asset worth 250m when he bought down to lets say 70m so yeah, maybe you'd better draw me a picture He couldnt find a buyer so he has switched to plan B,.. stop spending money , consolidate his loss. He will run the club without a loss, could see us in the Championship, or league 1. This is really straightforward, are you not well or something? "consolidate his loss"? jesus you believe this don't you? he'll lose 100m the moment we go down, where's the consolidation? Well thats the big mistake , nobody can understand. Ive said it else where, If hed backed Keegan, with 30 or 40 million, it would have actually cost him nowt, in relative terms. But to answer your question, yes he will lose 100 million or so,. he will consolidate by not spending anymore,..theres nothing difficult to understand there?. you may not agree, I absolutely dont, im just pointing out what i think hes up to,. I could be wrong, i hope i am, but everything i see, suggest Im not wrong. i'd say that depends entirely on the manager, and his track record so far is exemplary well i'm not gonna say you're wrong 'cause i can't fathom fuck all about this shit but anyone who who "consolidate" by losing what he's about to lose is patently insane, if that's what he's doing! Ok , pehaps, consolidate was the wrong word. Ashley, will stop losing money, by not spending anymore. Is that plain enough for you. And by the way. Yes i know , his asset will depreciate, with this plan. But he will not lose anymore money, if he spends none, and runs the business at break even, or a profit. Surely you can get your brain around that. dude i know what you're saying all along and if it was a ford cortina we were talking about that needed a new gearbox i'd agree, but for a man to invest 250m+ and then remain motionless as it could potentially be reduced to 0 is unfathomable in my mind i think you're right, to a small extent; i think he'll outlay the smallest amount of money possible to keep us ticking over and potentially stay up/get promoted but i can't allow the thought to enter my mind that he'd let what you're saying happen it's surely never happened in the history of business nevermind football/sport? It does seem absurd, its the only thoery i can find that fits whats going on. that he has accepted , he has made a huge loss on his purchase, and wont lose anymore money on it. And that he will not invest, in attempt, to re establish the value in the business. In other words, he will not speculate, to recover his losses. fits in with the rest of his portfolio these days, agreed Assuming we are on the right lines, the question, is, where can this policy see us end up? Championship, or lower? i'd say that depends entirely on the manager, and his track record so far is exemplary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. evidently your inability to understand what profit means is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. evidently your inability to understand what profit means is I do understand. I also understood what would happen to the club when it became clear to me what path Ashley was going to try and take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I've been thinking about this and it is thoroughly depressing. The thought of having Joe Kinnear as manager/puppet for another 2 seasons, regardless of what division we're in, just makes me feel so depressed. Its a horrible thought. Obviously, if we stay up it will be a big relief, but it will be short lived, imo. People will soon realise what the future holds and Ashley will feel a major backlash from the fans. The club will lose a lot of match-goers even if we do stay up. We'll go down next season if things at the club dont change drastically. And we'll probably end up much worse off.... The pain has only started... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ashley is running his "business model" exactly as he intended now get a grip man why do you disagree ? his business model was for us to be in the bottom 3 in early april was it? there's a huge difference between frustratingly incompetent decision making and "a plan" as we saw with FS the man is fucking up royally, to say he's following a plan is mental - i don't even think he's following his original financial plan due to a number of external factors that have occurred since he bought the club, never mind any football plan he might have had that's why and it gives him precisely 0% credit before you start I said business model, not football model. He thought that we would always get capacity crowds, or close to, whatever our league position, and probably thought we always had had capacity crowds. In other words he was a clueless tosspot like many other people. What he doesn't understand - like many other people - is that the success on the pitch drives the success of the business [in an industry where very few clubs if any make profits] and not the other way around. I've seen many blind views on these message boards over the years, but the blind and misunderstood hatred of the old regime is by far the worst, which I could understand up to a point by those who didn't know any different, but what amazes me now is the amount of people still clinging to it, and attempting to justify Ashley watching the team go down and down while clinging to his "plan", whatever it is. you didn't read a single fucking word i wrote did you? i'm so disappointed in myself that i even got involved again, find someone else mate i know you talk a modicum of sense but i'm refusing to be ignored in discussions these days...if you want to acknowledge the precipice the club was on before ashley bought it then we'll talk otherwise lets carry on with the detente, i prefer it that way of course I read what you said..........but I think his "plan" is first and foremost to just make a profit. Throw in lots of football related knowledge he didn't have, and you get out what we have now. Basically, I agree with what cp40 is saying. He has misjudged our support in terms of the extent of it, foolishly thinking we would draw those crowds whatever happened, and decided he would spend less and just stay in the premirership. All he had to do was look at the history books and he would have seen that it was the old regime who attracted the crowds back to the club, sadly Ashley is driving them out again. PROFIT? still? really? are you dr manhattan or something? it's not rocket science, this like. evidently your inability to understand what profit means is I do understand. I also understood what would happen to the club when it became clear to me what path Ashley was going to try and take. so, you understand no-one is currently making a profit, nor are they likely to in the very near future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 If we stay up Nicky Butt and a consortium buy the club, Butt then makes himself player manager with a 20 year contract and renames the Milburn Stand the Nicky Butt Stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 If we stay up Nicky Butt and a consortium buy the club, Butt then makes himself player manager with a 20 year contract and renames the Milburn Stand the Nicky Butt Stand. why is there an "if" at the start of your sentence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 If we stay up Nicky Butt and a consortium buy the club, Butt then makes himself player manager with a 20 year contract and renames the Milburn Stand the Nicky Butt Stand. why is there an "if" at the start of your sentence? Because there is one a the start of the thread title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 If we stay up Nicky Butt and a consortium buy the club, Butt then makes himself player manager with a 20 year contract and renames the Milburn Stand the Nicky Butt Stand. why is there an "if" at the start of your sentence? Because there is one a the start of the thread title ah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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