Ashley is great because he's restored the clubs financial stability...

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be shit now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have shit directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

[madras]

i think this should be sponsored for the NSPCC or something. either for how long we keep it going or to stop us.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

[Ericz]

Would it not be more accurate to say that the old board wasn't the best board to allow us to better ourselves to be the best BUT the new board is an even WORSE choice?

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they fuck up. like we did/are.

[madras]

hold that thought...i'm off to a 40th birthday party.

[Mowen]

hold that thought...i'm off to a 40th birthday party.

 

You old bastard

[Rich]

hold that thought...i'm off to a 40th birthday party.

 

You old bastard

 

It'll be a rocking affair man! Loads of ABBA, no doubt.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they fuck up. like we did/are.

 

humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact.

 

At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they f*** up. like we did/are.

 

humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact.

 

At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we

 

 

the only thing i complain about is your perception of nufc circa 2007

[madras]

hold that thought...i'm off to a 40th birthday party.

 

You old b******

 

It'll be a rocking affair man! Loads of ABBA, no doubt.

very much 90's ibiza, though we left as spandau ballet came on.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they f*** up. like we did/are.

 

humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact.

 

At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we

 

 

the only thing i complain about is your perception of nufc circa 2007

 

you don't reply.........I take it that your experience of being "laughed at" is via message boards then ?

 

 

[madras]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they f*** up. like we did/are.

 

humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact.

 

At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we

 

 

the only thing i complain about is your perception of nufc circa 2007

 

you don't reply.........I take it that your experience of being "laughed at" is via message boards then ?

 

 

i've pm'd you before about my experience of fans of other clubs.

[NE5]

It still astounds me that someone has come into this club and ripped its heart out, and I do blame John Hall for his part in this. He sold to Mike Ashley, not caring that due dilligence had not been done, if he loved this club like he claimed then he would have sold it to someone who would be able to nurture it. Instead we get Ashley, who seems to think that a "Casino" manager is the person to run our business, and who hasn't got a clue about what a football club is, never mind how it should be run. I feel really sad that the team that really is a people's club, which affects so many over the north-east and beyond is being prostituted to make the Halls, Shepherds and now Ashley some money.

 

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it.

 

Which always astounded me, tbh

 

 

more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing"

 

the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they.

 

 

been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want .

 

don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you.

 

 

and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back.

 

please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal.

Oooooh easy ones first. goody.

 

through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans.

 

through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover)

 

through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill  in a failed attempt to catch up.

 

through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team.

 

 

rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ?

 

No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales.

 

 

i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention.

 

re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please)

 

I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better".

 

 

 

i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round .

 

speculative.

 

We had good owners, now we have bad owners

 

 

we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce.

 

neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid.

 

only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story.

 

 

what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half  and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ?

 

freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes.

 

club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza.

 

Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ?

 

Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners.

 

 

 

 

yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you.

 

says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ?

 

have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted.

 

 

we lost owners who had done good, then done bad.

 

have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does.

 

Still, you have what you wanted.

 

 

the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before.

 

link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past.

 

what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking.

 

Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining.

 

 

of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's.

 

freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th.

 

do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ?

 

you have what you wanted.

 

We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too.

 

 

been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ?

 

oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that.

 

what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ?

 

You have what you wanted. Be happy.

 

 

no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there.

 

obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ?

 

ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them)

 

Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ?

 

Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw

 

 

because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4.

 

sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers.

 

edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now.

 

incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4.

 

 

that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it.

 

aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does.

 

Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order.

 

 

what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice).

 

alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable.

 

the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ?

 

aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so.

 

 

 

 

nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson.

 

and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ?

 

 

they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time.

 

edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left.

 

ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it 

 

I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ?

 

 

no, you don't get humour do you ?  (sorry my fault, another question)

 

you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they f*** up. like we did/are.

 

humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact.

 

At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we

 

 

the only thing i complain about is your perception of nufc circa 2007

 

you don't reply.........I take it that your experience of being "laughed at" is via message boards then ?

 

 

i've pm'd you before about my experience of fans of other clubs.

 

I don't remember and can't find it, unless I trashed it. Enlighten me.

 

 

[NE5]

I see the title of this thread  has been changed - why not change it to "Ashley is great because he's restored the clubs financial stability".......until the season ticket sales start rolling in 

 

 

[Rich]

I see the title of this thread  has been changed - why not change it to "Ashley is great because he's restored the clubs financial stability".......until the season ticket sales start rolling in 

 

You make me sad.

[NE5]

I see the title of this thread  has been changed - why not change it to "Ashley is great because he's restored the clubs financial stability".......until the season ticket sales start rolling in 

 

You make me sad.

 

and you took that suggestion seriously 

[Rich]

I was having a laugh with you man. Dear me.