Parky vs. Immigration issues in International football caused by modern society

[Parky]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else.

 

But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

 

The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau.

 

Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

 

I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored.

 

Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German??

Pull the other one Kaiz.

 

He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

 

 

Spot the contradiction.

 

I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

 

Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed?

 

No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

 

...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway?

[Kaizero]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation.

 

Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling.

 

Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics.

 

And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit.

 

I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off.

 

Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with?

 

Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background.

 

Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that.

 

 

Does your stance on this coincide with there may be a few budding Norwegian internationals amongst these immigrants that have settled in Norway?

 

There already is. Having a problem with that, for any country, is a problem though. It's pretty much calling our new citizens second-rate and unpure.

 

You're putting words into others mouths there Kaiz.,there's a difference between people leaving their country to better themselves financially and culturally and those who just want to play international football and won't get the chance to play for their country,and then do the residence thing to qualify.

 

But we already agree on that viewpoint. I don't want adult footballers to move just to get neutralised to play for another country, but I want people who's lived their entire (or most of) life in a country to be able to get to choose if they want to represent it.

[Parky]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

"Josef Klose does not want to be regarded as Polish, declaring himself as Silesian  and European, and stating that the success of his son is due to himself and German clubs."

 

So, where does that leave the smaller European countries as nearly all of them have people wanting to get out and go live in richer countries like Germany? Is it right that richer countries will just attract with money and facilities all the best players from Europe? Surely you can see the smaller European countries need protecting otherwise what is the point of national sides?

 

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

 

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

"Josef Klose does not want to be regarded as Polish, declaring himself as Silesian  and European, and stating that the success of his son is due to himself and German clubs."

 

So, where does that leave the smaller European countries as nearly all of them have people wanting to get out and go live in richer countries like Germany? Is it right that richer countries will just attract with money and facilities all the best players from Europe? Surely you can see the smaller European countries need protecting otherwise what is the point of national sides?

 

 

Everyone has the right within Europe to see pastures new in a different part of the Europe. If they believe Country 'X' is more prosperus to their family, you cannot hold that against their children in the future when it comes to International Deceleration.

[Kaizero]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else.

 

But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

 

The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau.

 

Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

 

I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored.

 

Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German??

Pull the other one Kaiz.

 

He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

 

 

Spot the contradiction.

 

I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

 

Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed?

 

No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

 

...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway?

 

Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it.

[madras]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

thats the "alan neilson clause" isn't it. he was born in germany on an RAF or army base and as such could play for germany or any of the 4 home nations.

[Parky]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

 

Then IMO it comes down to the parentage.

 

But some rules need to be put down to stop player drain to rich countries, which effectively is starting to dilute the idea of international football and like all things it will probably get worse.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Ah, Alan Nielson, but now you mention it it does ring a bell.

[Parky]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

 

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

"Josef Klose does not want to be regarded as Polish, declaring himself as Silesian  and European, and stating that the success of his son is due to himself and German clubs."

 

So, where does that leave the smaller European countries as nearly all of them have people wanting to get out and go live in richer countries like Germany? Is it right that richer countries will just attract with money and facilities all the best players from Europe? Surely you can see the smaller European countries need protecting otherwise what is the point of national sides?

 

 

Everyone has the right within Europe to see pastures new in a different part of the Europe. If they believe Country 'X' is more prosperus to their family, you cannot hold that against their children in the future when it comes to International Deceleration.

 

Freedom of movement as a cultural and economic phenomena I agree with and is a good thing, but it will fuck up the national identitiy that comes with international football, I think common sense should prevail.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else.

 

But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

 

The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau.

 

Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

 

I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored.

 

Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German??

Pull the other one Kaiz.

 

He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

 

 

Spot the contradiction.

 

I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

 

Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed?

 

No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

 

...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway?

 

Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it.

 

Maybe, but I definitely think it would be mentioned by you,  especially you actually.  which is enough to justify other people's P.O.V really.

[Kaizero]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

 

The latter is what would be the end to International football with the way the modern world is today.

[Kaizero]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else.

 

But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

 

The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau.

 

Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

 

I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored.

 

Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German??

Pull the other one Kaiz.

 

He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

 

 

Spot the contradiction.

 

I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

 

Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed?

 

No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

 

...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway?

 

Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it.

 

Maybe, but I definitely think it would be mentioned by you,  especially you actually.  which is enough to justify other people's P.O.V really.

 

I'd honestly, well and truly, not give a shit. Some of my closest mates are immigrants, I'd have no beef if they wanted to play for either their original country or Norway, but I'd have a beef if they'd not get to choose.

 

And your assumption of someone else's personality through an online forum is not enough to justify anything.

[SEMTEX]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

 

I agree with this, but I almost think they should be forced to join the team they have identity with (absolutely no actual way of doing this). Just because I'm sure there are players who have chosen a nation either a) because they wouldn't get on the team of their actual preferred nation, or b) because their preferred nation is turboshit and they want a chance of going to the world cup/euros/acn/etc.

 

Maybe everyone in the world should have to declare their international sports nation when they're like 8 or 9. Then they wouldn't have the nous to pick tactically!

[Kaizero]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

 

I agree with this, but I almost think they should be forced to join the team they have identity with (absolutely no actual way of doing this). Just because I'm sure there are players who have chosen a nation either a) because they wouldn't get on the team of their actual preferred nation, or b) because their preferred nation is turboshit and they want a chance of going to the world cup/euros/acn/etc.

 

Maybe everyone in the world should have to declare their international sports nation when they're like 8 or 9. Then they wouldn't have the nous to pick tactically!

 

Whilst 8 or 9 is a bit extreme, I think it should be declared when a player signs his first professional contract with a professional club and at 18 at the latest.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations.

 

It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta.

 

To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

 

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with.

 

I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them.

You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

 

I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else.

 

But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

 

The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau.

 

Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

 

I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a s*** if it was Cacau that scored.

 

Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German??

Pull the other one Kaiz.

 

He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it.

 

 

Spot the contradiction.

 

I'm saying I don't agree with the rule, but it's in place so there's nothing I could do with it, so in the event you're describing I would, instead of complaining, move on?

 

Hmmm, I dont understand what you're saying here. You're saying that because a rule is a rule that it shouldnt be changed? Isn't the fact that you don't agree with it tantamount to thinking it should be changed?

 

No, I want the rule for instances like that to be changed. Billy just asked what I would think if Cacau got a pen and scored against Norway in an imaginary final, knowing he's not really German.

 

...and you're saying that you wouldn't be any more annoyed than if it was anyone else? What if his parents were Norwegian and he was born in Norway?

 

Depends on which of the examples it is. If he'd lived most of his life in Germany, I'd not consider him Norwegian. If he'd only lived there five years, I'd be miffed, but I'd get over it.

 

Maybe, but I definitely think it would be mentioned by you,  especially you actually.  which is enough to justify other people's P.O.V really.

 

I'd honestly, well and truly, not give a s***. Some of my closest mates are immigrants, I'd have no beef if they wanted to play for either their original country or Norway, but I'd have a beef if they'd not get to choose.

 

And your assumption of someone else's personality through an online forum is not enough to justify anything.

 

Fair enough mate. If you believe it, then I do.

[Parky]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

 

Alright let's stop fucking about and  register/coerce/smooth talk half the academies of Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal and get them registered for England elligible for the national side by the time they are 21. Fair enough? Right now some of the bigger club academies in the PL have a wealth of foreign born talent.  You can bet your arse that;s what the Germans are doing.

[cubaricho]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

thats the "alan neilson clause" isn't it. he was born in germany on an RAF or army base and as such could play for germany or any of the 4 home nations.

 

Except that Hargreaves was born and lived in Canada until he was 16 years old.

[madras]

Thats the whole argument though, Parky. Someone with duel nationality should be able to choose which nation their represent, which will often come down to which one they feel most attached too (Nature v Nurture). To force them into a National Team will cause the problems, the player will either retire or be part of a team he has no national identity with, or at least a lesser identity with.

 

Alright let's stop f***ing about and  register/coerce/smooth talk half the academies of Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal and get them registered for England elligible for the national side by the time they are 21. Fair enough? Right now some of the bigger club academies in the PL have a wealth of foreign born talent.  You can bet your arse that;s what the Germans are doing.

players have been eligible to play for others for years and quite often they dont go to the supposed biggernation (see bassong,giggs) choosing instead to go with what they see as their heritage.

[madras]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

thats the "alan neilson clause" isn't it. he was born in germany on an RAF or army base and as such could play for germany or any of the 4 home nations.

 

Except that Hargreaves was born and lived in Canada until he was 16 years old.

take obi up on that.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

thats the "alan neilson clause" isn't it. he was born in germany on an RAF or army base and as such could play for germany or any of the 4 home nations.

 

Except that Hargreaves was born and lived in Canada until he was 16 years old.

 

To English/Welsh parents - Nature v Nurture argument again.

[Guest Heneage]

Parky how about we just build giant fences to stop player migration?

[Disco]

 

Klose's dad played for Poland.

 

But Klose grew up as a German Pole and it was his choice to play for Germany. What you're suggesting is that because he was born in Poland he should be forced to play for them. I don't agree with that. As someone said earlier, if I had been born in a foreign country due to parents job, or holiday, and then spent 16 years of my life growing up in England with the view for playing for England ruined due to some Asinine ruling saying I have to play for Austria or someone, I'd be gutted.

 

If you have a duel nationality you should have the choice to play for Country A, B or C.

 

Unless you're suggesting that the German Government and FA have conspired to bribe multinationals to choose Germany over another Nation, in which case I'd like to see some proof.

 

Let's look at it the other way I agree that Ibra should play for Sweden as he was born there, the fact that his parent are from Bosnia shouldn't matter. That's the other side of the coin.

 

But at the same time he might be fiercely proud of his Bosnian heritage and if he should have the option to play for them. Again it falls into the 'If I was born in another Country do to Family being stationed there through work (RAF which nearly happened)' I'd be gutted I couldn't play for England despite being raised as English with an English family in a Foreign country.

 

See: Owen Hargreaves.

thats the "alan neilson clause" isn't it. he was born in germany on an RAF or army base and as such could play for germany or any of the 4 home nations.

 

 

You can do the same if you're a channel islander n all i think.

[Kaizero]

Parky how about we just build giant fences to stop player migration?