Our Club. Our Shirt?

[Kaizero]

If it'd work it needs to be a bit of a departure from an actual home shirt, more of a home shirt inspired shirt, or something more gimmicky like half newcastle half ipswich.

It absolutely CANT  represent anti Ashley or anti Puma propaganda because then it will never be timeless, it will always age and it will lack credibility. If its represented more as a separate idea incorporating something else rather than a change to a more original design then it'll much more of a one of and much more agreeable to all

 

I like the half Newcastle Half Ipswich idea on reflection, not sure if its already been mentioned, I haven't read the entire thread, maybe I'm remembering it from somewhere else....?

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR.

 

If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue)

Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers.

 

It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board.

It would also double the start up costs? All that’s needed is a simple black and white shirt that does justice to the traditions of the club and the loyalty of the supporters. If you can achieve that you’ll have done great job.

 

Best of luck.

 

 

Would be for the Ipswich fans to sort out themselves, we'd just give them aid through the experience we'd have making this happen and sharing whatever connections we'd made. Our shirt is our only priority.

[Stifler]

If it'd work it needs to be a bit of a departure from an actual home shirt, more of a home shirt inspired shirt, or something more gimmicky like half newcastle half ipswich.

It absolutely CANT  represent anti Ashley or anti Puma propaganda because then it will never be timeless, it will always age and it will lack credibility. If its represented more as a separate idea incorporating something else rather than a change to a more original design then it'll much more of a one of and much more agreeable to all

 

I like the half Newcastle Half Ipswich idea on reflection, not sure if its already been mentioned, I haven't read the entire thread, maybe I'm remembering it from somewhere else....?

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR.

 

If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue)

Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers.

 

It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board.

It would also double the start up costs? All that’s needed is a simple black and white shirt that does justice to the traditions of the club and the loyalty of the supporters. If you can achieve that you’ll have done great job.

 

Best of luck.

 

 

Would be for the Ipswich fans to sort out themselves, we'd just give them aid through the experience we'd have making this happen and sharing whatever connections we'd made. Our shirt is our only priority.

Well said, and as it has already been said, a good idea, I hope it comes off, best of luck and thanks.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

If it'd work it needs to be a bit of a departure from an actual home shirt, more of a home shirt inspired shirt, or something more gimmicky like half newcastle half ipswich.

It absolutely CANT  represent anti Ashley or anti Puma propaganda because then it will never be timeless, it will always age and it will lack credibility. If its represented more as a separate idea incorporating something else rather than a change to a more original design then it'll much more of a one of and much more agreeable to all

 

I like the half Newcastle Half Ipswich idea on reflection, not sure if its already been mentioned, I haven't read the entire thread, maybe I'm remembering it from somewhere else....?

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR.

 

If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue)

Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers.

 

It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board.

 

They could be more persuaded if two sets of fans were behind it

[Kaizero]

If it'd work it needs to be a bit of a departure from an actual home shirt, more of a home shirt inspired shirt, or something more gimmicky like half newcastle half ipswich.

It absolutely CANT  represent anti Ashley or anti Puma propaganda because then it will never be timeless, it will always age and it will lack credibility. If its represented more as a separate idea incorporating something else rather than a change to a more original design then it'll much more of a one of and much more agreeable to all

 

I like the half Newcastle Half Ipswich idea on reflection, not sure if its already been mentioned, I haven't read the entire thread, maybe I'm remembering it from somewhere else....?

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR.

 

If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue)

Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers.

 

It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board.

 

They could be more persuaded if two sets of fans were behind it

 

True. But we've already made the enquiry, and will more than likely have an answer before we'd been able to discuss things with Ipswich fans. And for all we know the sales potential could not even be there for them, so would be best to look into helping them after we get an answer from the SBR foundation and get ourselves properly started, if the SBR foundation are on board, naturally. 

[SEMTEX]

A black and white football shirt that multiple NUFC fans wear, and has SBR Foundation sponsorship. That's all it needs to be.

 

Then, you start the media machine.

[summerof69]

A black and white football shirt that multiple NUFC fans wear, and has SBR Foundation sponsorship. That's all it needs to be.

 

Then, you start the media machine.

 

 

 

 

This.

 

 

Just get the simplest design possible. which is important for a number of reasons, 1 being that the design process will not take as long 2, most people, imo prefer the simpler designs.

[SEMTEX]

3) less chance of design copyright issues

[Guest je85]

Simpler designs would be cheaper too I would've thought. Talk to a possible manufacturer and get a template.

[Kaizero]

Simpler designs would be cheaper too I would've thought. Talk to a possible manufacturer and get a template.

 

It'll be done through Viga, we already have a price quote from them and everything but we'll need to come up with the design ourselves and they'll make it a shirt. 

[summerof69]

points 3 and 4 are good points aswell.

[SEMTEX]

I WANT ONE NOE

[Guest je85]

Simpler designs would be cheaper too I would've thought. Talk to a possible manufacturer and get a template.

 

It'll be done through Viga, we already have a price quote from them and everything but we'll need to come up with the design ourselves and they'll make it a shirt. 

 

Fair enough, hadn't read the full thread. Just thought back to when I got some cycling tops done up.

[Cronky]

This does feel like an Anti-Ashley protest dressed up as a fund-raiser for the SBR foundation.

 

If you want to help the foundation with some scheme, great, but the motivation here seems confused. It looks like the equivelent of the Man U yellow and green scarves.

Not really. It looks like what it is, somebody who is exploring the possibility of offering supporters a way of wearing their teams colours whilst raising some money for a good cause while theyre at it.  Any confusion is all in your head.

 

The Newcastle replica kit was poorly designed and overpriced long before Ashley arrived - symbolic of the exploitation of supporters loyalty. The contempt of Pumas design team may be the catalyst of for this idea, but football clubs have been taking the piss for years. Sticking the club crest on any old bit of tat and saying thatll be fifty quid.

 

Whether he succeds or not, I applaud Kaizero for taking the initiative - and fart in the general direction of those who nitpick instead of getting behind a worthwhile idea.

 

 

You've proved my point. First you say it's in aid of the SBR foundation and then you say it's a protest against the way owners exploit the fans through replica shirts.

 

You obviously think you can do both, but I don't think the foundation are going to want to get involved in something which is designed to be in competition with the club's own commercial activities.

 

Can we get a bit realistic here about replica shirts? Virtually every professional club in every country in the developed world, in every sport, is doing this. Do we seriously expect our owners - whoever they might be - to slash the price and lose out on income while our rivals rake it in?

[SEMTEX]

I just want a shirt that doesn't look shit. I'd prefer it if I wasn't the only one wearing it. That's all.

 

I wouldn't stress the price thing too much, the Puma kit will end up getting reduced to a competitive price after a few months anyway.

[summerof69]

Admitadly the shirt would be in competition with the puma one, however that doesn't mean it is in protest with the puma one, it would depend on people's attitude, if people bought it specificly because they dislike Mike Ashley then yes it would be a protest shirt however if people bought it simply because the shirt is a better , cheaper alternative and because they can feel as though they are supporting a worthy cause that also has something to do with a local icon who is revered then i don't think it is a protest shirt, imo, it all depends on peoples attitude which is why if this shirt does get off the ground then it's important to point out to the media that it has nothing to do with anything anti-Ashley.

[Dave]

Just completely do away with any notion of it being a protest against Ashley or the new home kit, anything to do with NUST or anything to do with competition with the club or rubbing them up the wrong way. Simply ask the Foundation if they're interested in a fundraising exercise based on the sale of black and white shirts of some description and mention that there's already a company who can/will manufacture them as well as a group of individuals (ie us lot) who have expressed interest in purchasing said shirts so far. Job done.

 

Hopefully this is what has been done and if so I think they'll be interested.

 

Who knows, the club might even endorse it if played right.

[Guest malandro]

This does feel like an Anti-Ashley protest dressed up as a fund-raiser for the SBR foundation.

 

If you want to help the foundation with some scheme, great, but the motivation here seems confused. It looks like the equivelent of the Man U yellow and green scarves.

Not really. It looks like what it is, somebody who is exploring the possibility of offering supporters a way of wearing their team’s colours whilst raising some money for a good cause while they’re at it.  Any confusion is all in your head.

 

The Newcastle replica kit was poorly designed and overpriced long before Ashley arrived - symbolic of the exploitation of supporter’s loyalty. The contempt of Puma’s design team may be the catalyst of for this idea, but football clubs have been taking the piss for years. Sticking the club crest on any old bit of tat and saying ‘that’ll be fifty quid’.

 

Whether he succeds or not, I applaud Kaizero for taking the initiative - and fart in the general direction of those who nitpick instead of getting behind a worthwhile idea.

 

 

You've proved my point. First you say it's in aid of the SBR foundation and then you say it's a protest against the way owners exploit the fans through replica shirts.

 

You obviously think you can do both, but I don't think the foundation are going to want to get involved in something which is designed to be in competition with the club's own commercial activities.

 

Can we get a bit realistic here about replica shirts? Virtually every professional club in every country in the developed world, in every sport, is doing this. Do we seriously expect our owners - whoever they might be - to slash the price and lose out on income while our rivals rake it in?

You said it felt like an anti Ashley protest, which it clearly isn’t.

 

You’re right that the SBRF might have some reservations about being associated with a product that could be seen as competing with the clubs official merchandise. That’s if it is competing? As far as I can tell the general consensus if that a lot of supporters wouldn’t be buying the official kit full stop. And at the end of the day if a few lads who frequent a messageboard  can come up with a better product the club can only have themselves to blame if they lose a few sales.

 

None of this matters much. It’s a good idea with the potential to raise money for a good cause. Even if the SBRF don’t go for it there are other charities that could do with a bit of extra cash – The Charlie Crowe Appeal for example. Looking for obstacles (or trying to create ones that don’t exist) instead of embracing the positive is a poor show.

[Nexumaster]

I'm in the club of people who said "I'd buy one"

[Stifler]

If the SBR Foundation said they didn't want their name on the shirt, would it not be possible to have no sponsor on the shirt but still donate all profits to the SBR Foundation?

[Guest malandro]

Admitadly the shirt would be in competition with the puma one, however that doesn't mean it is in protest with the puma one, it would depend on people's attitude, if people bought it specificly because they dislike Mike Ashley then yes it would be a protest shirt however if people bought it simply because the shirt is a better , cheaper alternative and because they can feel as though they are supporting a worthy cause that also has something to do with a local icon who is revered then i don't think it is a protest shirt, imo, it all depends on peoples attitude which is why if this shirt does get off the ground then it's important to point out to the media that it has nothing to do with anything anti-Ashley.

Good post.

 

It’s not for me to tell Kaizero what to do, but my advice would be to just to say here’s a shirt, x amount of money from each sale goes to charity. Concentrate on what it is, avoid getting dragged into debates about what it isn’t.

 

[Kaizero]

Just completely do away with any notion of it being a protest against Ashley or the new home kit, anything to do with NUST or anything to do with competition with the club or rubbing them up the wrong way. Simply ask the Foundation if they're interested in a fundraising exercise based on the sale of black and white shirts of some description and mention that there's already a company who can/will manufacture them as well as a group of individuals (ie us lot) who have expressed interest in purchasing said shirts so far. Job done.

 

Hopefully this is what has been done and if so I think they'll be interested.

 

Who knows, the club might even endorse it if played right.

 

Exactly what's been done and said in the inquiry.

[Kaizero]

If the SBR Foundation said they didn't want their name on the shirt, would it not be possible to have no sponsor on the shirt but still donate all profits to the SBR Foundation?

 

That would make it harder to sell, IMO. Whilst the proceeds would still go to charity, it wouldn't have any "proper" connection to the SBR foundation. There's a two-step ladder here, firstly the investment from people to make this happen needs to be returned (unless they simply want to make the shirt happen, but I doubt most people have enough money to not want it back, I plan on putting a lot into it to make this happen if the SBR foundation is on board, but I can't do without all of it so there needs to be a basis to sell enough to make back the initial investment and make more for the foundation.) and second it needs to sell enough to make money for the SBR foundation. Without their approval and endorsement, I'm uncertain it would be able to sell enough to make money for the foundation, and probably not even make back the initial investment. Which would probably be a massive issue for whoever gets involved.

 

Of course there could be other charities in Newcastle worth writing home about, but none that would strike the NUFC fans as much as the SBR foundation. So it really hinges on whether or not they want to be a part of it for real, and not just us saying they'll get the proceeds.

[Guest Heneage]

So, this young chap, who couldn't manage to write a forum awards list because of his numerous Hollywood blockbuster commitments, is going to design, create and distribute a football kit?

 

Smashing. Sure it'll go really well.

 

 

Get a life ffs. Also, while at it, learn to read. I'm doing neither of those things.

I like that the awards are deemed as being so important.

 

Er, they're not. That's kind of my point, Einstein.

But that's just my point, Edison. There wasn't people's money involved or any of those factors, I think something like this would command a bit more commitment from Kaizero.

[Kaizero]

So, this young chap, who couldn't manage to write a forum awards list because of his numerous Hollywood blockbuster commitments, is going to design, create and distribute a football kit?

 

Smashing. Sure it'll go really well.

 

 

Get a life ffs. Also, while at it, learn to read. I'm doing neither of those things.

I like that the awards are deemed as being so important.

 

Er, they're not. That's kind of my point, Einstein.

But that's just my point, Edison. There wasn't people's money involved or any of those factors, I think something like this would command a bit more commitment from Kaizero.

 

Don't bother about him, man. Definition of a WUM trying to stir something up in a thread mostly devoted to discussing a way to support a charity because they have nothing better to do with themselves, or anything worthwhile to say.

[Kaizero]

Just to explain the actual process a bit more:

 

1. We get the SBR foundations endorsement. If we do not get it, the project will be dead in the water and most likely never happen unless someone else have a brilliant idea how to do it.

2. We start a fundraising to raise the £7000 deposit. (Which will be refunded to investors after around 500-700 shirts are sold.)

3. We get the kit designed as the fundraising goes on, if we can't raise all the funds the project will be discontinued and everything returned to the investors.

4. We give the design and deposit to Viga, and they start the process to make the shirts, and we get our own newcastle.viga.co.uk (just along those lines, not certain it'd be "newcastle".) thing to sell it from.

5. Viga will on our request control the money coming in, and will return £7000 to us when it's made. Then after that they will send all proceeds straight to the SBR foundation from there to avoid someone like me, or anyone else involved, stealing money.