Christmas Tree Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Wahay, the fan boys have woken up. You know what mate, and instead of bitching and calling you a sack, ill be honest. Do you not think there is a reason why everyone is jumping on you all of the time? And no, its not because everyone is a fan boy. You even have one of the Mods so frustrated that he was tempted to delete you. Do you really think that is down to him being a 'fan boy'? If you had of given your argument in a constructive way, like - 'You know what, Best and Obertan are back, i really would like to stick with that team as it went unbeaten blah blah.... ' But instead, you come in the thread after a few days, knowing full well that there has been a lot of positivity around after his performance and say 'he had his chance and he blew it, he needs to be dropped'. Its comments like that, that get peoples backs up. And its pretty clear you do it to get people to bite. He didnt blow his chance, he had a decent game and you know this. Now how about trying to be constructive instead of just being a grade A tool?? IMO, he had "a few moments", nothing more. IMO, those moments dont warrant him retaining a place ahead of Best. Pardew has also made it clear that HBA does not want to play on the wing. The general problem in this thread is the "fan boy" attitude to Ben Arfa. It doesnt really matter whether it is me or any of the others who dont heap praise constantly, they are instantly attacked as Ben Arfa haters which I dont think anyone who supports Newcastle is. And if you cant handle a bit of needle / fun with your football, then the internets not really the best place to be is it. Banning people for having a different view ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 That's a valiant attempt Elliotman,but he's simply not interested in debate. He avoided the thread for days after a very good performance by HBA and now he's come back to get some more attention. The fact that he keeps referring to fanboys and has resorted to posting pictures of monkeys illustrating the 'fanboys' tells you all you need to know. Everyone either get him on ignore or just don't respond to his shite and we can get back to some real talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 That's a valiant attempt Elliotman,but he's simply not interested in debate. He avoided the thread for days after a very good performance by HBA and now he's come back to get some more attention. The fact that he keeps referring to fanboys and has resorted to posting pictures of monkeys illustrating the 'fanboys' tells you all you need to know. Everyone either get him on ignore or just don't respond to his shite and we can get back to some real talk. Well I posted in the thread 4 hours after the match finished, whilst at work??? And that was two hours after your telling contribution...."Wheres Baggio and 3 sleeps". Says it all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 When Christmas Tree, Ronaldo and Baggio all agree on one thing, you know you're right if you think different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 That a player who's played his best football out wide should be tried out wide? At least contribute, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 If Pardew wanted to play HBA on the wing, he wouldn't refuse to play there and it's wrong to suggest otherwise in my opinion. I can understand Pardew not wanting him to play him there with the current system, especially against the better teams but it's something I wouldn't mind seeing in the future with HBA having a free role from the right as Ronaldo has mentioned. It could definitely be tried out at home against the lesser teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 his most important contribution was giving away a daft penalty. What a load of garbage. Such a mackem anti-NUFC s*** Well, no, it's actually a fact. Who would you be supporting right now if Hatem had signed for the mackems, eh? Such a whore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 If Pardew wanted to play HBA on the wing, he wouldn't refuse to play there and it's wrong to suggest otherwise in my opinion. I can understand Pardew not wanting him to play him there with the current system, especially against the better teams but it's something I wouldn't mind seeing in the future with HBA having a free role from the right as Ronaldo has mentioned. It could definitely be tried out at home against the lesser teams. The thing is, I see no real defensive benefit in Obertan being played at RW instead of Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 If Pardew wanted to play HBA on the wing, he wouldn't refuse to play there and it's wrong to suggest otherwise in my opinion. I can understand Pardew not wanting him to play him there with the current system, especially against the better teams but it's something I wouldn't mind seeing in the future with HBA having a free role from the right as Ronaldo has mentioned. It could definitely be tried out at home against the lesser teams. The thing is, I see no real defensive benefit in Obertan being played at RW instead of Hatem. I can see where you're coming from but reckon Pardew sees it differently and I'm kind of torn in the middle to be honest. Although Obertan's defensive work isn't comparable to Jonas', he does tend to get himself back into deep positions to offer Simpson support whereas I'm not sure if HBA would drop himself that deep regularly. I also think asking him to get into those positions would possibly nullify some of his attacking threat. The one thing that's probably stopping me from wanting to see Best and Ba up top with HBA on the wing at the moment is Simpson as he does need the help. If Santon was at RB I'd be a lot more comfortable with HBA on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Suggesting HBA doesnt want to play out wide is just more negative wind up bollocks based on Pardew saying he wont play him there, and nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Suggesting HBA doesnt want to play out wide is just more negative wind up bollocks based on Pardew saying he wont play him there, and nothing more. The weight that's been placed on that throw-away statement is way over the top IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Suggesting HBA doesnt want to play out wide is just more negative wind up bollocks based on Pardew saying he wont play him there, and nothing more. Yep - he's utterly class on the wing. If Pardew wanted him behind the striker fair play but that's in an ideal situation - for Pardew - a player who can get past people and create chances like Hatem is naturally good on the wing. For Lyon & Marseilles he could play on either wing & often with great success. It's too small minded to say he can only play in the 10 role when two of our right midfielders are out and he earns enough money to at least be versatile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Imo, his talent is best suited to the wide role in a 4-3-3 for our side. Like Mata at Chelsea, he can drift insdie at will, but his starting position should be out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ive a hard time believing he'd not have started sooner over Obertan if there wasnt something in that really. Pardews said himself he doesnt think Hatem enjoys playing there & doesnt have the relish for it. He's not pulling those ideas out of nowhere, he'll have talked to the lad. Shoving him on the wing again after 1 start wont be great for relations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Imo, his talent is best suited to the wide role in a 4-3-3 for our side. Like Mata at Chelsea, he can drift insdie at will, but his starting position should be out wide. Aye I think some people are getting confused between a winger and a mid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I don't think we can read much into how often HBA has started games at this point, he was returning from a major injury at a time that the team was achieving a lot of success. I wasn't a simple case of comparing his ability to Obertan's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I don't think we can read much into how often HBA has started games at this point, he was returning from a major injury at a time that the team was achieving a lot of success. I wasn't a simple case of comparing his ability to Obertan's. exactly. i can tell you i saw his face when Sammy was brought on on the wing against Everton and he looked very disappointed, all we have to go on is Pardew's said he doesn't see him as a winger, to suggest that means HBA has outright said 'I'm not playing there' is just looking for problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 a player who's played his best football out wide Wrong. He's played his best football behind Benzema at Lyon, but you wasn't born yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 his most important contribution was giving away a daft penalty. What a load of garbage. Such a mackem anti-NUFC s*** Well, no, it's actually a fact. Who would you be supporting right now if Hatem had signed for the mackems, eh? Such a whore. The penalty is a fact yes but it's "his most important contribution" for RDT posters. Hatem hadn't signed for the mackems, so you question is pointless as usual and he didn't choose Newcastle by accident. The subject here isn't my person neither, but the load of s*** you're capable of when talking about this player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 his most important contribution was giving away a daft penalty. There simply has to legitemate proof that Ben Arfa can contribute hugely to our cause before we undermine both Best and Ba to accomodate him as a forward. Still see no reason why he can't play as a false winger. It's harsh to say that was his most important contribution, he made a great chance for Ba and an even better one for himself and was within a whisker of scoring. I'd say his performance against City is proof that he can do it against anyone and will get better with more games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 That a player who's played his best football out wide should be tried out wide? At least contribute, man. I'm a Ben Arfa fanboy. I think he's a glorious player who has the ability that so few in this world possess. I love his vision, his style of place and I am in constant awe of his dribbling ability. I think we somehow for some weird reason lucked into signing him and we should build our whole team around him. We've done well this season so far but I don't think that iteration of the team was good enough to challenge for fourth, which is where I feel we really belong, and where Ben Arfa can take us. I think this discussion about his position on the pitch would be entirely without merit if he didn't get injured. The only important factor now is whether he will recover his ability. If he does, there is no discussion. You build the team around him. You tell him to find space, tell other players to pass to him and then just let him roam without needing to defend. He's a lesser version of Messi but I think we should let him roam free like Messi does. He's the best player we have, and the best attacking player we have by a million miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 This argument will look funnier as time passes because he'll prove himself to be very worthy of the high expectations that people have of him, like the Baggio posts earlier in this thread now seem funny because even a not fully fit Ben Arfa has shown that he's very capable of relieving pressure for us, as he did so quite a few times on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Good post. Is Leon Best performing well, and contributing to team play effectively? Without doubt. Can he take us as far as Ben Arfa if we set the team up to play to the strengths of each? Not in a million years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Don't think he should play out wide until we sort the fullback positions out. We'd get absolutely mudered if Ben Arfa drifted into a central position and the opposition managed to double up on either Raylor or Simpson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm a Ben Arfa fanboy. I think he's a glorious player who has the ability that so few in this world possess. I love his vision, his style of place and I am in constant awe of his dribbling ability. I think we somehow for some weird reason lucked into signing him and we should build our whole team around him. We've done well this season so far but I don't think that iteration of the team was good enough to challenge for fourth, which is where I feel we really belong, and where Ben Arfa can take us. I think this discussion about his position on the pitch would be entirely without merit if he didn't get injured. The only important factor now is whether he will recover his ability. If he does, there is no discussion. You build the team around him. You tell him to find space, tell other players to pass to him and then just let him roam without needing to defend. He's a lesser version of Messi but I think we should let him roam free like Messi does. He's the best player we have, and the best attacking player we have by a million miles. Agree with this and have done all along. Couldn't care less if that makes me a fanboy. Coloccini is a world class defender, Tiote is a world class defensive midfielder and Ben Arfa is a world class playmaker. I don't think we have any other world class players but these are the three that cement us a good team. Once Ben Arfa rediscovers his top form and it will happen providing he has no major injury concerns we will be a far a better team because of it. I think Parky mentioned that Ben Arfa was/could be as good as Nasri. I disagree, I think he's better than Nasri or at least will prove to be when he returns to top form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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