Guest neesy111 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 My biggest concern is the harmony in the camp, could this upset the team spirit? There are better players out there whether we can sign them is another matter. I think the club are trying lay their mark. They are trying to tell players we don't get push around and I think they are trying to stick to their business plan. I think whilst Ashely is here we have to accept the days of paying daft wages whoever it maybe has gone, it may see us miss out on a few targets but as long as we improve the squad I don't see a problem. Come September 1st and all we have signed is Taylor, Long and Pratley and I'll have a better view. But at the moment I see us almost sign Cabaye (who by all accounts is a good seems a good buy) and be strongly linked with Gervinho and Gameiro. Now if we lose Barton and Nolan but sign these 3 I'll be more than happy. I'll also happily sacrifice Barton and Nolan for Enrique as Enrique will be the most difficult to replace. Team spirit was important when it was all we had, now we've got the base of a good team and the means to bring in some good European class talent which top trumps team spirit and shit players for me. If we get players in with similar talent levels but that have pace then that will be upgrade on them both imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 My biggest concern is the harmony in the camp, could this upset the team spirit? There are better players out there whether we can sign them is another matter. I think the club are trying lay their mark. They are trying to tell players we don't get push around and I think they are trying to stick to their business plan. I think whilst Ashely is here we have to accept the days of paying daft wages whoever it maybe has gone, it may see us miss out on a few targets but as long as we improve the squad I don't see a problem. Come September 1st and all we have signed is Taylor, Long and Pratley and I'll have a better view. But at the moment I see us almost sign Cabaye (who by all accounts is a good seems a good buy) and be strongly linked with Gervinho and Gameiro. Now if we lose Barton and Nolan but sign these 3 I'll be more than happy. I'll also happily sacrifice Barton and Nolan for Enrique as Enrique will be the most difficult to replace. Team spirit was important when it was all we had, now we've got the base of a good team and the means to bring in some good European class talent which top trumps team spirit and s*** players for me. True without that kind of togetherness in the fizzy pop league we may have struggled, but its not as if we hear week in week out the togetherness of the Man Utd and they haven't done too badly have they. But who are part of this clique anyway? If loads of players are big mates with these two and are influenced by them then I would be worried a bit. If for example Enrique is big mates with them and its the final straw for him, will it unsettle Jonas and Colo? I'm worried about a domino effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 My biggest concern is the harmony in the camp, could this upset the team spirit? There are better players out there whether we can sign them is another matter. I think the club are trying lay their mark. They are trying to tell players we don't get push around and I think they are trying to stick to their business plan. I think whilst Ashely is here we have to accept the days of paying daft wages whoever it maybe has gone, it may see us miss out on a few targets but as long as we improve the squad I don't see a problem. Come September 1st and all we have signed is Taylor, Long and Pratley and I'll have a better view. But at the moment I see us almost sign Cabaye (who by all accounts is a good seems a good buy) and be strongly linked with Gervinho and Gameiro. Now if we lose Barton and Nolan but sign these 3 I'll be more than happy. I'll also happily sacrifice Barton and Nolan for Enrique as Enrique will be the most difficult to replace. Team spirit was important when it was all we had, now we've got the base of a good team and the means to bring in some good European class talent which top trumps team spirit and shit players for me. Well, yes, except we're not planning on keeping hold of our 'base of a good team'. One of these shit players got 12 goals in the league, last season. Based on what? Selling a troubled hippy for £35m, on one of our players wanting away due to CL dreams (who still hasn't gone and apparently been offered a very good deal) or not playing ball with two overpaid ageing players trying to hold the club to ransom. Guess we didn't try to keep the base of good players together when we signed up Tiote for 6 years, or other young promising players on 5.5 year deals. I bet the contracts they have been offered will not be matched by another club come their expiry either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 My biggest concern is the harmony in the camp, could this upset the team spirit? There are better players out there whether we can sign them is another matter. I think the club are trying lay their mark. They are trying to tell players we don't get push around and I think they are trying to stick to their business plan. I think whilst Ashely is here we have to accept the days of paying daft wages whoever it maybe has gone, it may see us miss out on a few targets but as long as we improve the squad I don't see a problem. Come September 1st and all we have signed is Taylor, Long and Pratley and I'll have a better view. But at the moment I see us almost sign Cabaye (who by all accounts is a good seems a good buy) and be strongly linked with Gervinho and Gameiro. Now if we lose Barton and Nolan but sign these 3 I'll be more than happy. I'll also happily sacrifice Barton and Nolan for Enrique as Enrique will be the most difficult to replace. Team spirit was important when it was all we had, now we've got the base of a good team and the means to bring in some good European class talent which top trumps team spirit and s*** players for me. True without that kind of togetherness in the fizzy pop league we may have struggled, but its not as if we hear week in week out the togetherness of the Man Utd and they haven't done too badly have they. But who are part of this clique anyway? If loads of players are big mates with these two and are influenced by them then I would be worried a bit. If for example Enrique is big mates with them and its the final straw for him, will it unsettle Jonas and Colo? I'm worried about a domino effect. Smith, Harper, Barton & Nolan. Honestly, the door is that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 My biggest concern is the harmony in the camp, could this upset the team spirit? There are better players out there whether we can sign them is another matter. I think the club are trying lay their mark. They are trying to tell players we don't get push around and I think they are trying to stick to their business plan. I think whilst Ashely is here we have to accept the days of paying daft wages whoever it maybe has gone, it may see us miss out on a few targets but as long as we improve the squad I don't see a problem. Come September 1st and all we have signed is Taylor, Long and Pratley and I'll have a better view. But at the moment I see us almost sign Cabaye (who by all accounts is a good seems a good buy) and be strongly linked with Gervinho and Gameiro. Now if we lose Barton and Nolan but sign these 3 I'll be more than happy. I'll also happily sacrifice Barton and Nolan for Enrique as Enrique will be the most difficult to replace. Team spirit was important when it was all we had, now we've got the base of a good team and the means to bring in some good European class talent which top trumps team spirit and shit players for me. Problem is though, that Barton and Nolan have been a big part of that 'base'. Take out Barton's assists/goals last season and do the same with Nolan's and I don't want to know where we would have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 We've been lacking strength in depth for a long while. We've also got a team spirit that you just can't buy. I don't think Nolan is the type who thinks he's the best player in the world, but he is a damn good club captain. Why can't we bring in other players and keep Nolan too. His positive involvement in the team isn't just on field but off the field too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 We've been lacking strength in depth for a long while. We've also got a team spirit that you just can't buy. I don't think Nolan is the type who thinks he's the best player in the world, but he is a damn good club captain. Why can't we bring in other players and keep Nolan too. His positive involvement in the team isn't just on field but off the field too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 We've been lacking strength in depth for a long while. We've also got a team spirit that you just can't buy. I don't think Nolan is the type who thinks he's the best player in the world, but he is a damn good club captain. Why can't we bring in other players and keep Nolan too. His positive involvement in the team isn't just on field but off the field too. Nail on the head! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. And even if they do well for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. Like Wenger has done his entire time at Arsenal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. And even if they do well for us. Now, now, no need for common sense. Everyone knows footballers die as soon as they reach 30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. Like Wenger has done his entire time at Arsenal? Did he really? Berkamp, Adams, Campbell, Lehmann, Pires suggest otherwise imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. And even if they do well for us. Now, now, no need for common sense. Everyone knows footballers die as soon as they reach 30. We've already have had a lengthy discussion that this is just not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. Like Wenger has done his entire time at Arsenal? Did he really? Berkamp, Adams, Campbell, Lehmann, Pires suggest otherwise imo. All of them offered reduced contracts and one years deals, if not accepted they were moved on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 And even if they do well for us. They have done well last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 If these 2 are irreplaceable, then we really need to be making plans so that they are not imo. It's got nothing to do with players being irreplaceable. We're telling players that once you get to a certain age we'll ship them out, even if they love the place and want to settle here. Like Wenger has done his entire time at Arsenal? Did he really? Berkamp, Adams, Campbell, Lehmann, Pires suggest otherwise imo. All of them offered reduced contracts and one years deals, if not accepted they were moved on. Fair point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 And even if they do well for us. They have done well last season. So what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 And even if they do well for us. They have done well last season. So what? So you made the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Man United have the most together squad in the country because they keep so many players for long spells and create a solid base. Too many people think football works like a computer game, in a vacuum without the need for management of actual human beings who behave like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Man United have the most together squad in the country because they keep so many players for long spells and create a solid base. Too many people think football works like a computer game, in a vacuum without the need for management of actual human beings who behave like everyone else. Aye. Added to that, I can't believe how many on here would replace the likes of Barton and Nolan with 'quality' players. We've been there before, we had players like Owen, Luque, Emre, Martins, N'Zogbia and so on and we ended up relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Man United have the most together squad in the country because they keep so many players for long spells and create a solid base. Too many people think football works like a computer game, in a vacuum without the need for management of actual human beings who behave like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Man United have the most together squad in the country because they keep so many players for long spells and create a solid base. Too many people think football works like a computer game, in a vacuum without the need for management of actual human beings who behave like everyone else. Aye. Added to that, I can't believe how many on here would replace the likes of Barton and Nolan with 'quality' players. We've been there before, we had players like Owen, Luque, Emre, Martins, N'Zogbia and so on and we ended up relegated. Yeah, what wankers wanting to sign quality players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Man United have the most together squad in the country because they keep so many players for long spells and create a solid base. Too many people think football works like a computer game, in a vacuum without the need for management of actual human beings who behave like everyone else. Aye. Added to that, I can't believe how many on here would replace the likes of Barton and Nolan with 'quality' players. We've been there before, we had players like Owen, Luque, Emre, Martins, N'Zogbia and so on and we ended up relegated. Yeah, what wankers wanting to sign quality players. The thing is, I wasn't saying 'sign', I was saying 'replace'. Big difference really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 It's such a shame that all of these players, who have played an integral part in getting us back on our feet, have turned out to be selfish, greedy c***s, like. What? Without knowing the details of the contract(s), how the f*** can you make such a sweeping ridiculous statement? Sarcasm, mate. This whole charade will be played out each time one of our established players is due to sign a new deal. Aye, see the post above yours, my appologies. Agree by the way, Colo will be the next to 'reject' his contract. Exactly. Look at today's Shield's Gazzette - 'Nolan rejects contracts'. Shows how many of the local papers/journos are in Ashley's pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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