Alan Pardew

[Ronaldo]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

[Yorkie]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

[JH]

What worried me was the fact that no-one seemed to know what to do when we were chasing the game.  They looked clueless.

 

We look incapable of playing with any urgency, it's been the same for a number of years now. We always look like we've got all the time in the world, when we're 1-0 down with 5 minutes to go.

 

That just isn't true*. We've lacked a cutting edge but not so much urgency. Fwiw, mini-stat... not all of them were with us chasing the game but we've scored post-90 minutes on 5 separate occassions so far this season.

 

 

*but was today, infuriatingly/admittedly

 

It's not so much in terms of chances/goals/getting the ball forward, it's just a number of small things such as not being in a rush to take throws/corners, or strolling forward like we were 3-0 up, not looking for a pass etc. - imo when you're 'chasing' a game, you should be really up for it. You should be pushing forward quickly, always looking for a pass/run, quickly getting into position for set pieces etc. Sometimes we just don't seem that keen to create a chance in that instant - it's incredibly infuriating.

[Ronaldo]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

 

Barton's a RM, not a winger. Routledge has probably been our best player in the last two home games he's started.

[Mick]

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

 

1 assist.

[madras]

Barton isn't a winger by trade but he's effective when he plays that position. No problems with that. Hope Pardew puts him back there and clears off that waste of space Routledge.

to me thats getting mixedf up between a winger and a wide midfielder.....sounds pedantic but the roles are different.

[Mowen]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

 

He's been better than Jonas. That's almost a no (bar the City away).

[Yorkie]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

 

Barton's a RM, not a winger. Routledge has probably been our best player in the last two home games he's started.

 

Barton's been better in both of them iyam.

 

Would you start Routledge on the right ahead of Barton?

 

Thanks Mick, btw.

[madras]

A waste of space who happens to be our best winger with Ben Arfa out.

 

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...)

 

Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything?

 

Barton's a RM, not a winger. Routledge has probably been our best player in the last two home games he's started.

 

Barton's been better in both of them iyam.

 

Would you start Routledge on the right ahead of Barton?

 

Thanks Mick, btw.

routledge was definitly better in his time on on sunday.

 

edit... i'd like to start barton in the middle but tell him he has to stay ahead of tiote when we have the ball and attack their box.

[Yorkie]

Barton isn't a winger by trade but he's effective when he plays that position. No problems with that. Hope Pardew puts him back there and clears off that waste of space Routledge.

to me thats getting mixedf up between a winger and a wide midfielder.....sounds pedantic but the roles are different.

 

Absolutely, he's playing as a wide-midfielder - but you can't have both him and Routledge playing down that side. It's one or the other and Barton is, by a mile, the first choice imo.

[madras]

Barton isn't a winger by trade but he's effective when he plays that position. No problems with that. Hope Pardew puts him back there and clears off that waste of space Routledge.

to me thats getting mixedf up between a winger and a wide midfielder.....sounds pedantic but the roles are different.

 

Absolutely, he's playing as a wide-midfielder - but you can't have both him and Routledge playing down that side. It's one or the other and Barton is, by a mile, the first choice imo.

see my edit one above.

[Yorkie]

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

[Ronaldo]

I like the fact that Pardew has actually communicated with the fans regarding the situation with Ranger.

[madras]

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

yes, nolan scores but has poor games. i'm sure barton could get into those positions and have more effect on the game in other ways.

 

 

i don't think barton is that good a crosser, more carroll is that good in the air.

[Yorkie]

I never liked Lee Bowyer when he was here, but he's the last centre-mid i can think of who specifically tried to be that late-comer/lurker/advanced centre-mid. Barton just doesn't do it... he's more of a playmaker imo. He's got the vision and the craft as opposed to the finishing ability.

 

Nolan, on the other hand, does it pretty well imo.

 

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

yes, nolan scores but has poor games. i'm sure barton could get into those positions and have more effect on the game in other ways.

 

 

i don't think barton is that good a crosser, more carroll is that good in the air.

 

Works though, dunnit! He's put more crosses in than Routledge has this year.

[madras]

I never liked Lee Bowyer when he was here, but he's the last centre-mid i can think of who specifically tried to be that late-comer/lurker/advanced centre-mid. Barton just doesn't do it... he's more of a playmaker imo. He's got the vision and the craft as opposed to the finishing ability.

 

Nolan, on the other hand, does it pretty well imo.

except barton doen't have the craft or vision. he should have the engine and be good at the close traingle stuff.

 

 

then again maybe with another forward to play to who knows but as yet i've saw few signs of it.

[madras]

I never liked Lee Bowyer when he was here, but he's the last centre-mid i can think of who specifically tried to be that late-comer/lurker/advanced centre-mid. Barton just doesn't do it... he's more of a playmaker imo. He's got the vision and the craft as opposed to the finishing ability.

 

Nolan, on the other hand, does it pretty well imo.

 

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

yes, nolan scores but has poor games. i'm sure barton could get into those positions and have more effect on the game in other ways.

 

 

i don't think barton is that good a crosser, more carroll is that good in the air.

 

Works though, dunnit! He's put more crosses in than Routledge has this year.

sunderland had more shots than blackpool

[Mick]

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

 

Nolan hasn't created a single assist in any game this season, he's set up less than both of our wingers who were giving stick to.

[Yorkie]

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

 

Nolan hasn't created a single assist in any game this season, he's set up less than both of our wingers who were giving stick to.

 

Nolan isn't in the side to make assists though, he's there as a goal threat and a captain.

 

Barton - Nolan - Tiote - Jonas

 

Carroll - Someone (currently Ranger)

 

... it's got to be that imo. That's the system that works. As being discussed in another thread, if he were fit, i'd have Ben Arfa off Carroll as opposed to Ranger... but that's another topic.

[madras]

Would you drop Nolan then? He plays that role well. Barton's at his best when he's got more space, imo - more time to deliver. He's an excellent passer of the ball and a good crosser too.

 

Nolan hasn't created a single assist in any game this season, he's set up less than both of our wingers who were giving stick to.

 

Nolan isn't in the side to make assists though, he's there as a goal threat and a captain.

 

Barton - Nolan - Tiote - Jonas

 

Carroll - Someone (currently Ranger)

 

... it's got to be that imo. That's the system that works. As being discussed in another thread, if he were fit, i'd have Ben Arfa off Carroll as opposed to Ranger... but that's another topic.

honestly can't decide where i'd put ben arfa. too manmy positions where he'd be by far our best

[Guest neesy111]

I think Pardew has realised the actual problems in the squad from the comments I've heard.  Should remember Chris had no intentions to sign anyone which wasn't lambasted at the time, but as a club should have been.

 

Fact is away from our starting 11, our back-up from the bench is dreadful.

[madras]

I think Pardew has realised the actual problems in the squad from the comments I've heard.  Should remember Chris had no intentions to sign anyone which wasn't lambasted at the time, but as a club should have been.

 

Fact is away from our starting 11, our back-up from the bench is dreadful.

and the clubs around have that much better to call on ?

[Mick]

I can't for the life of me work out what he's doing at this club.  I've just had a look through his managerial record again to see if I have missed anything, trying to find a straw to clutch to and other than his job at Reading and Southampton in the lower divisions, he's been s***.  His win percentage record at Southampton is his best at any club and it's worse than the record Hughton had while here. 

 

His best season in the top flight was 9th with West Ham and he followed that season up with the worst run of results that West Ham had in 70 years and they were in a relegation position when he left and only climbed out once he’d gone.  He went to Charlton who were in a relegation position when he arrived and they finished in the same position.

 

[Chris Banaloona]

I haven't read the latest comments on this particular thread and I don't normally post on here (just read and use it as an up to date source of NUFC rumours and news - GREAT STUFF LADS and LASSES so keep it up).

 

I think today that performance and team selection would have came under Hughton. I think the first half was even, both teams never looked like threatening each other with the only difference being their wide men and that extra bit of creativity in the centre of the park (Modric). I thought we were let down massively by both Routledge and Jonas today. At times they were fed the balls in positions which they could have delivered better quality in the first half and failed miserably time and time again. Pardew cannot be blamed for this has this has been the case all season. After all these are not Pardew's players. And before you all shoot me down saying I am a WUM etc etc I must state that I didn't want Pardew in this job as much as the next person but when Hughton was appointed last term I didn't want him either but by giving him the benefit of the doubt I grew to love him. Putting pressure on our manager early on may force him to make rash decisions in January thus potentially wasting any money we have.

 

Now looking forward I think buying two quality wingers and a player of real creativity for the centre of midfield are needed. Forget about a centre forward. We could have Alan Shearer in his prime with AC up there but without the sufficient quality out wide to open up the field and cause concern for opposition defenses as soon as we regain possession then we are not going to create anything for our front men to finish. With those two type of players and someone to create and link things together we would be a strong strong team. Players who we should buy, I haven't got a clue..... thats up to Alan Pardew.

[JH]

I can't for the life of me work out what he's doing at this club.  I've just had a look through his managerial record again to see if I have missed anything, trying to find a straw to clutch to and other than his job at Reading and Southampton in the lower divisions, he's been s***.  His win percentage record at Southampton is his best at any club and it's worse than the record Hughton had while here. 

 

His best season in the top flight was 9th with West Ham and he followed that season up with the worst run of results that West Ham had in 70 years and they were in a relegation position when he left and only climbed out once he’d gone.  He went to Charlton who were in a relegation position when he arrived and they finished in the same position.

 

 

What's his history in terms of discipline and so on? This just stinks of a Souness style appointment (i.e He wasn't hired for his win percentage)