Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Seriously, why the f*** did he risk Tiote? He wanted to win There would still be people (albeit fewer) who would be chastising him now for not bringing him on You could count them on one hand I suspect. Tiote is a defensive midfielder btw. I know Dave but his impact on the team and his ability to control a midfield by default makes us a more attacking outfit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I did hear Pardew right, didn't I, when he said he was "glad Smith was getting a game"? Yeap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Truly awful player who offers 0% to the team. I think you forgot the BJ's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I did hear Pardew right, didn't I, when he said he was "glad Smith was getting a game"? I heard him saying 'He'll do well today' before the match. Not AP's fault though, he's only used to working with League 1 players so 'Smudger' probably achieves the standards demanded by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I did hear Pardew right, didn't I, when he said he was "glad Smith was getting a game"? I heard him saying 'He'll do well today' before the match. Not AP's fault though, he's only used to working with League 1 players so 'Smudger' probably achieves the standards demanded by him. so true...but hey it is not funny. he is our manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. That's exactly what I'm on about. A silly attempt to mitigate Pardew's wins by playing them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wigan and West Ham results were mainly due to about how shit the opposition were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wigan and West Ham results were mainly due to about how shit the opposition were. And again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. That's exactly what I'm on about. A silly attempt to mitigate Pardew's wins by playing them down. 'Pardews' wins, 'players' defeats? Aye, splendid that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. That's exactly what I'm on about. A silly attempt to mitigate Pardew's wins by playing them down. He fucking played one of the three down himself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Thing is. Our first XI in the system that Hughton left us playing is good enough to compete with everyone in the league. Slight tampers, i.e. Barton infield/left sided, more than 2 key players missing, i.e. tiote/carroll/jose and we're no better than an average CCC club. Pardew should be aware of this, yet his squad selection and idiotic substitution make me think that he really isn't quiet up to speed yet. I'd go as far as saying that missing jonas cost us some balance today as well. Was he injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. That's exactly what I'm on about. A silly attempt to mitigate Pardew's wins by playing them down. He fucking played one of the three down himself! And the other two will probably be playing Championship football next year. Still, well in Pards. Fucking Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This 'He's won 3 out of 5 league games' is fine from a numbers perspective, though the Liverpool win was nowt to do with him, he just happened to be there, even Joey said so. As for Wigan, that was a woeful game and Wigan were nearly as poor as we were today. That's exactly what I'm on about. A silly attempt to mitigate Pardew's wins by playing them down. He f***ing played one of the three down himself! And the other two will probably be playing Championship football next year. Still, well in Pards. f***ing Pards. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Thing is. Our first XI in the system that Hughton left us playing is good enough to compete with everyone in the league. Slight tampers, i.e. Barton infield/left sided, more than 2 key players missing, i.e. tiote/carroll/jose and we're no better than an average CCC club. Pardew should be aware of this, yet his squad selection and idiotic substitution make me think that he really isn't quiet up to speed yet. I'd go as far as saying that missing jonas cost us some balance today as well. Was he injured? Don't worry about that. Alan's got more experience than CH, so he'll sort out any tactical issues where CH let us down. Oh wait.................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Urgh, i hate this argument, it was exactly the same with Hughton. He was praised for the Wigan game and the excellent performance against West Ham (most notably putting faith in Best, plus a good bit of man-management)... but he'll be pilloried for this abysmal display - a lot of which, like it or not, he contributed to. It's still early days to make any conrete judgements and he's still, imo, suffering from some post-Hughton-aftermath. We'll have better grounds to firmly judge starting with the result of the transfer window, and the final league position. I've got absolutely no issue with people laying into him after performanes like today, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I love how Pardew before the match was talking about how we were going to qualify for Europe through the FA cup. :clap: :clap: Well done!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" We did beat shit teams, and people still gave credit to Pardew. Have a look through the last few pages of this thread before today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" Let's face it, he's VERY fortunate he's inherited a squad with a strong team spirit. That is what's got the results. His 'tactics' have meant fuck all. He's learning stuff CH already knew and he's supposed to be an improvement - it's only fair expectations go up. So, my expectations are that we should be better drilled, better tactically and getting better results than we would under CH. I don't think we are and I've always had massive doubts over AP's ability, gravitas and integrity. Credit him if you like - but he'll have a job on changing my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 People can't defend Pardew after today. My only problem is how much the blame lies with the players and the management. 70-30 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 People can't defend Pardew after today. My only problem is how much the blame lies with the players and the management. 70-30 imo. I don't think anybody can accurately give a percentage split on that Neesy. I think the bigger picture question marks, around his ability, history etc remain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" We did beat shit teams, and people still gave credit to Pardew. Have a look through the last few pages of this thread before today. Yep, Pardew got his substitutions almost spot on in the last couple of league games. Albeit against shit teams. People need to accept that when somebody fails any justified criticism has a right to be aired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because we beat a s*** a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "f***ing c***, get the w***** Pardew out now!" We've beaten shit teams under better managers than Pardew and they were still shit teams. If they are shit then they are shit, what does the league table say about them? Our last 2 wins were against terrible teams, is that true or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 It's how he lifts them for next Sunday where his career could take off or fail here. The sign of a decent manager will be the performance next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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