Rich Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Aye, that's my stance as well. For all the praise he got for the Arsenal game he gets the criticism for today. You cannot go blaming him for one and then saying he had nothing to do with the other, it's completely irrational and unfair. His level of influence on the game may well have been different between the two given the two circumstances, but he's the manager so he's obviously played a huge part in both, for good and for bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 He brought Ranger on, didn't he? I'm sure that decision got a lot of credit at the time as we scored three goals after his introduction. You can't have it every which way Mick, you've blatantly got a massive agenda here. Do you think we would have got the draw with 11 v 11? As for an agenda, I want the club to do well and don't think Pardew is the right man to take us forwards and his previous managerial jobs back that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Pointless arguing with you on this, you've almost become everything you used to hate. We weren't getting the draw 11 vs. 10 until Pardew brought Ranger on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Mick, who would you like to see as our manager if you had the chance to choose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 For me the problem for a lot of people is they can't seperate their feelings of Pardew from that of Ashley, Llambias and the Hughton sacking. The Hughton sacking was completely out of order. The bloke did have a questionable home record, but putting that aside he dragged us from out darkest hour. He got us promoted, fostered an excellent team spirit, got players performing again and also did reasonably well in the transfer market. Chris will always be a legend due to his short but influential spell in charge, and the way Ashley treated him with such contempt was frankly shameful. I'm not a massive fan of Pardew as a person and I, like others, wasn't particularly impressed when he took over. At the same time he's done a decent job. He's steadied the ship since Hughton's departure and managed to maintain the excellent team spirit while having to deal with a substantial injury list and the sale of his most potent striker. At the same time we've looked far more assured at home. Having said all that, the jury is still out. Until we've seen his transfers, how he molds the team and the how we perform next season, it isn't possible to tell if this is a good or a poor appointment. So far so good, but next season is the real test of his abilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 The end of next season is the time to judge him.. Tend to agree. Any manager really needs at least one full season to be fairly judged. Chris Hughton had one, came up from the CCC with 100+ points and still gets called a cunt on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Never heard him being called a cunt like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 By who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Mick, who would you like to see as our manager if you had the chance to choose? That’s irrelevant because it will take years to get anybody decent while Ashley is at the club, unfortunately. We’ve had far too many managers in a short space of time to make anybody decent think it’s a job worth taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 By who? Ronaldo for a kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 wullie will say people like crumpy and myself who didn't think hughton was the new hiddink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 wullie will say people like crumpy and myself who didn't think hughton was the new hiddink. Did anybody think he was the new Hiddink? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Can't believe anyone can say Hughton doesn't get absolutely slated on here. People actually slag his signings then in the next post will say "Oh but poor old Pardew has no say over transfers" - no, he's absolutely fucking clueless, that's the problem. "We're better off without Carroll", ok Alan I believe you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 wullie will say people like crumpy and myself who didn't think hughton was the new hiddink. Did anybody think he was the new Hiddink? some certainly attempted to make out he was more than was true. pardew has done little to change it in that the squad attitude has carried itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Can't believe anyone can say Hughton doesn't get absolutely slated on here. People actually slag his signings then in the next post will say "Oh but poor old Pardew has no say over transfers" - no, he's absolutely f***ing clueless, that's the problem. "We're better off without Carroll", ok Alan I believe you. only crumpy ever really slated hughton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 wullie will say people like crumpy and myself who didn't think hughton was the new hiddink. Did anybody think he was the new Hiddink? some certainly attempted to make out he was more than was true. pardew has done little to change it in that the squad attitude has carried itself. It hasn't though. That's why top players like Jose Enrique are desperate to be away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 wullie will say people like crumpy and myself who didn't think hughton was the new hiddink. Did anybody think he was the new Hiddink? some certainly attempted to make out he was more than was true. pardew has done little to change it in that the squad attitude has carried itself. It hasn't though. That's why top players like Jose Enrique are desperate to be away. he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Can't believe anyone can say Hughton doesn't get absolutely slated on here. People actually slag his signings then in the next post will say "Oh but poor old Pardew has no say over transfers" - no, he's absolutely f***ing clueless, that's the problem. "We're better off without Carroll", ok Alan I believe you. Has Alan said this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? I think Enrique would be staying if Hughton had stayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. But he has no say over transfers! That's why the last transfer window wasn't his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? I think Enrique would be staying if Hughton had stayed. We will never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 But he has no say over transfers! That's why the last transfer window wasn't his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. True Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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