Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 We have secured - just - on points - safety from relegation. The Likes of Bolton, Hull etc have all ridden the coast of champions league spots during a season - what separates good teams from the lesser ones is the ability to pick up the pace and finish strongly rather than going off boil going into the last 10 games. Based on current form, Europe seems unlikely, which is a shame. Could still be a decent season though, 8-9th aint too shabby. As long as we dont go down again I`m a happy camper We dont and wont play pretty fotball, but any southampton/West ham fan could tell you that when we appointed Alan. Its hardly a surprise so I dont understand why some on here go on about it. Look at his record, not what he is saying. The man is a politician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yeah...playing poor football but sitting in a european spot in our second season back is totally inexcusable... You qualify for nothing after 28 games, we were 3rd at the beginning of November and qualified for nothing then either. What are Swansea going to qualify for? They play pretty football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 And now Hughton in his first 21 games last season, a manager not deemed good enough and someone who many feel Pardew is a big upgrade on or has been: Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 9 For 34 Against 31 28 points Just to clarify for everyone who unreservedly believes HTT's fibs, Hughton only managed us for 16 league games last season. Here's his actual record: 16 games 19 points (Basically identical to our 'terrible current form' under Alan 'cannot cut the mustard' Pardew) My bad. Mind... Pardew had 6 more games than Hughton last season and only managed 8 more points than Hughton did. And as you correctly stated, in Pardew's last 16 games, he has only picked up 19 points, the same return you mock Hughton for. This with better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I love how Swansea get upheld as this bastion of slick attacking football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 What are Swansea going to qualify for? They play pretty football. Has anybody claimed that Swansea will qualify for anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 We have secured - just - on points - safety from relegation. The Likes of Bolton, Hull etc have all ridden the coast of champions league spots during a season - what separates good teams from the lesser ones is the ability to pick up the pace and finish strongly rather than going off boil going into the last 10 games. Based on current form, Europe seems unlikely, which is a shame. Could still be a decent season though, 8-9th aint too shabby. As long as we dont go down again I`m a happy camper We dont and wont play pretty fotball, but any southampton/West ham fan could tell you that when we appointed Alan. Its hardly a surprise so I dont understand why some on here go on about it. Look at his record, not what he is saying. The man is a politician. It's all about expectations I supposed, I'll be absolutely disgusted if we finish 8th or 9th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 People just don't seem to realise having a great start means nothing if you are crap for rest of the season. The reason people are getting on Pardew's back is because they see nothing to suggest our form is going get better with the football we are playing and that style of football is stemming from the way the manager prepare's the team for games. I gave Pardew a lot of praise for the way we started the season (which he lapped up), so he needs to take criticism which the fans are going to give him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 What are Swansea going to qualify for? They play pretty football. Has anybody claimed that Swansea will qualify for anything? Straight over your head then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Straight over your head then? Aye, a bit like that £50 bet that went straight over yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Glory Hoggers Vs Doom Mongers. Another 4 years of waiting....for something i guess. Waited 30 years and probably last another 30...hopefully Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Straight over your head then? Aye, a bit like that £50 bet that went straight over yours. Always comes back to that. Too easy fella. Bobby knows the score... Once more for the record and for the last time...WHEN i am in the position to, i shall be donating. Back in your box Mr Sunshine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 People just don't seem to realise having a great start means nothing if you are crap for rest of the season. The reason people are getting on Pardew's back is because they see nothing to suggest our form is going get better with the football we are playing and that style of football is stemming from the way the manager prepare's the team for games. I gave Pardew a lot of praise for the way we started the season (which he lapped up), so he needs to take criticism which the fans are going to give him. To say there's nothing to suggest we're going to improve is ignoring that in the last two games we've at times looked dangerous. Second half we battered Sunderland and the first half at Arsenal we went toe to toe with a very good side. Yep, I've been unimpressed at times over the last two months, but since HBA has been given a chance, we've looked a much more attacking unit. You can say our second half at Arsenal was disappointing but for me, it was a good home side relentlessly forcing us onto the back foot as much as ourselves shooting our own foot through tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Always comes back to that. Too easy fella. Bobby knows the score... Once more for the record and for the last time...WHEN i am in the position to, i shall be donating. Back in your box Mr Sunshine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Bit of both. It will come together from now until the end of the season. I also think its a confidence thing. One good win will see us up and running and playing better football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Neesy, when was Pardew lapping up praise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 And now Hughton in his first 21 games last season, a manager not deemed good enough and someone who many feel Pardew is a big upgrade on or has been: Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 9 For 34 Against 31 28 points Just to clarify for everyone who unreservedly believes HTT's fibs, Hughton only managed us for 16 league games last season. Here's his actual record: 16 games 19 points (Basically identical to our 'terrible current form' under Alan 'cannot cut the mustard' Pardew) My bad. Mind... Pardew had 6 more games than Hughton last season and only managed 8 more points than Hughton did. And as you correctly stated, in Pardew's last 16 games, he has only picked up 19 points, the same return you mock Hughton for. This with better players. I never 'mocked' Hughton's points return. I didn't even want him to be sacked. Do I think Pardew's an upgrade? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Our midfield is nowhere near as good as some would have you believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 People just don't seem to realise having a great start means nothing if you are crap for rest of the season. The reason people are getting on Pardew's back is because they see nothing to suggest our form is going get better with the football we are playing and that style of football is stemming from the way the manager prepare's the team for games. I gave Pardew a lot of praise for the way we started the season (which he lapped up), so he needs to take criticism which the fans are going to give him. To say there's nothing to suggest we're going to improve is ignoring that in the last two games we've at times looked dangerous. Second half we battered Sunderland and the first half at Arsenal we went toe to toe with a very good side. Yep, I've been unimpressed at times over the last two months, but since HBA has been given a chance, we've looked a much more attacking unit. You can say our second half at Arsenal was disappointing but for me, it was a good home side relentlessly forcing us onto the back foot as much as ourselves shooting our own foot through tactics. We are looking more dangerous but we are not creating clear cut chances which you need if your going to score more goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Our midfield is nowhere near as good as some would have you believe. They aren't getting a chance to show if they are as good or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Another very fair and sensible post. On the latter point, certainly quotes like the ones from Carver about 4 days with Pardew defending, 1 day with him attacking do nothing to inspire my confidence that we're working on the right things. Although I know nothing about football coaching, it seems to me an odd way to coach anyway - it's a team game and one that often requires defence turning into attack very quickly. It shouldn't be a case of "when you have the ball, do this, and when you don't, do the other", I think that's overly simplistic and not really reflective of how a game flows. I think this could be a reason, for example that there cannot possibly be a worse team on the counter attack than us, we never even look like starting one, never mind being in a position to finish one off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Bit of both. It will come together from now until the end of the season. I also think its a confidence thing. One good win will see us up and running and playing better football. Agree with you both, really all that's causing the argument is a bit of a disjointed approach that has got worse over recent weeks. Hopefully we can pick up a good win against Norwich and some confidence will come back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Having said that, HTT, i dont hate AP like you do, not even close, i think he does care about the club and we ARE moving forward. We are 6th! 6th whilsts playing s**** with a talented 1st team of players. Do you not think we will improve? I do. Developing a good brand of football takes time, ability and understanding between players not to mention a consistent starting 11. I don't hate Pardew but I won't deny that I dislike him. We are moving forwards in terms of our scouting, buying, our finances and yes our league position, but the key component in all this - the performances - show we are moving backwards. The more you perform badly the less points you will pick up and that's exactly what's happened. We are 6th but we will not finish there and even if we do this season, it will only be this one season so long as Pardew is our manager. As a club we are moving forwards but from a footballing perspective, we belong in the 80s or early Premiership days. Our football is as bad as anything we've served up in any of our Premiership years. 6th is blinding people. If we were 10th or whatever, there would be Pardew out threads on this very forum and widespread discontent on the stands, especially giving the players we have. Already fans are turning and that's because they can see with their own two eyes how pathetic we are on the ball and as a footballing side. To asnwer your question, no I do not believe we will improve. The fact he would rather see Ryan Taylor in the side ahead of Ben Arfa is one big fuck off alarm bell ringing. Worse still, he actually thought Obertan could do a job in a withdrawn striker role, AGAINST ARSENAL. The man is fucking clueless. He's a League 2 manager at a Premier League club and is slowly but surely being found out. We have not been blessed in the latter what with injuries, suspensions and international commitments. We have time and ability to forge the understanding within the group. We've played poor for the vast majority of the season regardless of injuries and international commitments. It isn't the personel that's the problem, its the manager. I think AP does want us to play attacking football but its a building process. This season was always going to be a building job, its just so happened that we have got to 6th whilst being relatively poor. He's had over a year in charge and we have not imrpoved our game despite the fact we have improved our side in terms of players. We are sixth because of our decent start and the goals of Ba and the heroics of Krul and Colo in the main, that and those who would normally be up there having poor seasons. It is no coincidence however that as soon as Arsenal start playing they steamroller past us, and Liverpool, as awful as they have been, are only a few points off us. Ba not scoring means we struggle to win games and that's because there is nothing else to our game to win us matches if he doesn't score. Fwiw i think some good football will break out in the last 10 games and see us into europe. That in itself will bring in better players to fill in those weak positions and in turn hopefully encourage even better football next season. Exposure to european football will also help us develop a better brand of football. Its not the players man. Yes Simposn isn't the best and nor is Williamson but Tiote and Cabaye are certainly good enough yet why are they hoofing it or dropping deep and generally looking shit? Its the tactics man, the instructions, its fucking Pardew. I doubt we'll suddenly start seeing some better football either and if I was a betting man I'd bet against us securing European football. People want too much too soon in my opinion. We are 6th ffs. Ha, the old 6th chesnut and the expectations cliche LOOK AT OUR PERFORMANCES MAN. They are not and never will be good enough or acceptable. We'll learn that the hard way when Ba decides he's had enough of getting a stiff neck every game looking to the skies constantly for a team who passes it to his feet. Providing the board don't decide to cash in on him first that is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 And now Hughton in his first 21 games last season, a manager not deemed good enough and someone who many feel Pardew is a big upgrade on or has been: Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 9 For 34 Against 31 28 points Just to clarify for everyone who unreservedly believes HTT's fibs, Hughton only managed us for 16 league games last season. Here's his actual record: 16 games 19 points (Basically identical to our 'terrible current form' under Alan 'cannot cut the mustard' Pardew) My bad. Mind... Pardew had 6 more games than Hughton last season and only managed 8 more points than Hughton did. And as you correctly stated, in Pardew's last 16 games, he has only picked up 19 points, the same return you mock Hughton for. This with better players. I never 'mocked' Hughton's points return. I didn't even want him to be sacked. Do I think Pardew's an upgrade? Yes. Maybe not so much mock but pour scorn on. Fair enough if you think Pardew is an upgrade. Our position in the table would certainly back you up but for me, he's not an upgrade and although the past is the past, I believe we would have finished last season better than we did under Pardew had Hughton not got the boot and with the players we have now, I think we'd be doing much better in terms of our football and thus would have a better chance of progressing. Pardew will take us backwards next season and could even do so from where we sit now. I for one doubt we'll finish 6th now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Like Wullie says, its not about pretty football. There's only one team in the league who play pretty football and make a success of it, Spurs. Swansea are in the bottom half and some people go on as if they are Barca. Man city have been involved in some of the most boring games this season and Arsenal have been poor compared to their sides of the past. What should be asked for is positive football, Pardew got it half right at the start of the season with the pressing he employed. There's something wrong with the link between our midfield and attack. I'm still undecided on whether it is Pardews tactics or an underperforming group of players. Our midfield is nowhere near as good as some would have you believe. I think we have the makings of a cracking midfield. Mind, its hard to see when they are constantly bypassed with the long ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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