Zero Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The first half was a lot better than we've seen in a while, very annoying that we made no attempt to keep it up in the second. We do not have infinite stamina. That said, our game plan is to score a few during the first half to finish them off. We wasted a few sitters and that leads to the pressure for 2nd half. i dont like it personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The first half was a lot better than we've seen in a while, very annoying that we made no attempt to keep it up in the second. We do not have infinite stamina. That said, our game plan is to score a few during the first half to finish them off. We wasted a few sitters and that leads to the pressure for 2nd half. i dont like it personally. didn't looked like we were that interested or desperate to finish them at all after the first goal, we pretty much crawled into our shells after the goal and attempted to counter for the rest of the half quite timidly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Out of all the one players who scored a goal in the game, one of them was Newcastle player. That's very relevant to the topic of passing, cheers. Quite pertinent to the topic of winning football matches, which Alan Pardew (the perosn being discussed in this thread) is paid to do. Just broadening the debate is all I don't think anyone's debating that we won the game. Could've fooled me. We beat a confident Norwich side. Who don't forget, beat us 4-2 last time out. The point discussed is how we seem to win games by solitary goals usually dependent on some outstanding play by one of of Cisse, Ba or HBA instead of teamwork with a coherent formation and tactics (unless you consider the hoofing in the second half as tactics). The problem with the model that we are adopting is that we don't dominate games and can at anytime lose/draw games that in theory we should/can win. It also gives us next to zero chance (Man Utd game aside) of taking points of the top 4-6 teams even at home, which is what we should be targeting if we are serious on getting into Europe. Maybe some will have to wait till we get a tonking from Liverpool for the penny to drop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? first half attack cisse ba hba midfield of cabaye perch guthrie defence of jonas colo willo simpson second half a few changes went back to 442 and then 4411 sholas ended up playing as right wing did pretty well actually and gosling was playing behind BA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? except cabaye is playing centre. It isnt a 442 but a 433. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 i was a little angry when pardew said oh we won and we had 8 senior players out injured. fuck off with that shit, he really does sound like a con man when he comes out with shit like that, 8 players ! really??? like how many of those 8 players would have started today Pardew? fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? first half attack cisse ba hba midfield of cabaye perch guthrie defence of jonas colo willo simpson second half a few changes went back to 442 and then 4411 sholas ended up playing as right wing did pretty well actually and gosling was playing behind BA. and, again i'm led to believe, depsite all those changes we never really managed to get the ball down and play nor dominate norwich, norwich i'm just not on board with pards like, great we're 6th but what alpal said is pretty much on the money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? first half attack cisse ba hba midfield of cabaye perch guthrie defence of jonas colo willo simpson second half a few changes went back to 442 and then 4411 sholas ended up playing as right wing did pretty well actually and gosling was playing behind BA. and, again i'm led to believe, depsite all those changes we never really managed to get the ball down and play nor dominate norwich, norwich i'm just not on board with pards like, great we're 6th but what alpal said is pretty much on the money yep, and to think, we were playing the same exact shoddy type of s*** last time round when we got raped 4-2 by the same norwich i think its a great indication of how bad the teams are below us, then yet again they seem be able to get points off us or even beat us quite often. leaves me to the question, how the fuck are we in 6th. the mind boggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 his quotes about balance fucked me off reading them this morning, pick the players at your disposal who'll balance the team then you smarmy cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Which players are these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 leaves me to the question, how the f*** are we in 6th. the mind boggles. Because we win more games than the teams below us that you never shut the fuck up about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 leaves me to the question, how the f*** are we in 6th. the mind boggles. Because we win more games than the teams below us that you never shut the f*** up about. ah that must be it . and for a second i thought the teams below us have been unlucky lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Krul GK Coloccini CB Santon LB Williamson CB Perch RB Cabaye CM Guthrie CM Ben Arfa RW Gutierrez LW Cisse ST Ba ST changed one player, looks a pretty "balanced" 4-4-2 to me, again Ferguson is fit and available (apparently) but not worthy of a place on the bench plenty of options if he decides to pick someone else capable of playing wide naturally, such as jonas at FB for the extra attacking threat and energy then said winger could start instead defend him all you want, he's got options that he isn't using and then using the lack of options he has in his defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 If that is the performance at the start of the season, would u be that mad? i rlly think the expectation has risen to a ridiculous level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The pair of you are like decrepit old women, man. We don't play aesthetically pleasing football and we haven't done so for the vast majority of the season. This obviously can't be addressed until June. Get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The pair of you are like decrepit old women, man. We don't play aesthetically pleasing football and we haven't done so for the vast majority of the season. This obviously can't be addressed until June. Get over it. thank you for the insight nostradamus now we cant wait for june. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 If that is the performance at the start of the season, would u be that mad? i rlly think the expectation has risen to a ridiculous level. ridiculous? righto, it's nothing of the sort, it's being able to watch football objectively and apply the knowledge and experience i have from watching for nearly 30 years and applying it to what i see from pardew....as much as sky would have you believe otherwise not much changes in football which is why i quote alpal: The point discussed is how we seem to win games by solitary goals usually dependent on some outstanding play by one of of Cisse, Ba or HBA instead of teamwork with a coherent formation and tactics (unless you consider the hoofing in the second half as tactics). The problem with the model that we are adopting is that we don't dominate games and can at anytime lose/draw games that in theory we should/can win. It also gives us next to zero chance (Man Utd game aside) of taking points of the top 4-6 teams even at home, which is what we should be targeting if we are serious on getting into Europe. Maybe some will have to wait till we get a tonking from Liverpool for the penny to drop. the bit in bold i've quoted 'cause this is exactly where i am right now, i believe i know which way it's going to go with pardew as i've seen it over the years and been saying it here for weeks, over the course of a season his tactics aren't changing or improving, teams have worked us out, prior to yesterday we'd drawn 2 home games and by all accounts we were pretty close to that again yesterday with the away team again playing the better football, is anything inaccurate with that assessment? the point is that we're a razor's edge from the wins being defeats and don't have a coherent style of play to fall back on when results aren't there, nor a plan b in any way shape or form by the way, the bit i didn't highlight from alpal was the bit i don't necessarily agree with, we're not at the point of being able to beat the top 6 yet or rather expect to beat them would be a better way to put it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The pair of you are like decrepit old women, man. We don't play aesthetically pleasing football and we haven't done so for the vast majority of the season. This obviously can't be addressed until June. Get over it. fair enough, i'd be interested to know what you've in pardew that makes you so sure he's willing, capable or even feels the need to address it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 After williamson dallied on rhe ball resulting in a shot for norwich the camera cuts to pardew who shouts hatem f***ing clear it. How about shouting at williamson you f***ing idiot. Ben arfa actually retained possession. Enrique copped the same verbal blowdrying from Fat Sam, for actually playing the ball out from the back - on the deck. Enrique was playing to the same drum beat of his football upbringing, back in Spain. Allardyce nearly & singlehandedly destroyed the lad in his first year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Out of all the one players who scored a goal in the game, one of them was Newcastle player. That's very relevant to the topic of passing, cheers. Quite pertinent to the topic of winning football matches, which Alan Pardew (the perosn being discussed in this thread) is paid to do. Just broadening the debate is all I don't think anyone's debating that we won the game. Could've fooled me. We beat a confident Norwich side. Who don't forget, beat us 4-2 last time out. The point discussed is how we seem to win games by solitary goals usually dependent on some outstanding play by one of of Cisse, Ba or HBA instead of teamwork with a coherent formation and tactics (unless you consider the hoofing in the second half as tactics). The problem with the model that we are adopting is that we don't dominate games and can at anytime lose/draw games that in theory we should/can win. It also gives us next to zero chance (Man Utd game aside) of taking points of the top 4-6 teams even at home, which is what we should be targeting if we are serious on getting into Europe. Maybe some will have to wait till we get a tonking from Liverpool for the penny to drop. Man-management issues aside, that was pretty much the match-day scenario under Souness. Ironic that genuine 'match-winners' were also belittled in public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 everything else aside (i couldn't see the game here) was he playing a CM of perch & guthrie/gosling and cabaye in a wide area, with jonas at FB? that's what i was told by a lad listening on the radio surely none of that can be right? first half attack cisse ba hba midfield of cabaye perch guthrie defence of jonas colo willo simpson second half a few changes went back to 442 and then 4411 sholas ended up playing as right wing did pretty well actually and gosling was playing behind BA. and, again i'm led to believe, depsite all those changes we never really managed to get the ball down and play nor dominate norwich, norwich i'm just not on board with pards like, great we're 6th but what alpal said is pretty much on the money yep, and to think, we were playing the same exact shoddy type of s*** last time round when we got raped 4-2 by the same norwich i think its a great indication of how bad the teams are below us, then yet again they seem be able to get points off us or even beat us quite often. leaves me to the question, how the f*** are we in 6th. the mind boggles. Reason is the PL isn't have as good as the propaganda would have you believe. Other than the current top 4/5, the league is dire IMO. The bottom 5 teams are total gash, no better than Championship sides. Just goes to show the gap is widening between the haves and have nots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Out of all the one players who scored a goal in the game, one of them was Newcastle player. That's very relevant to the topic of passing, cheers. Quite pertinent to the topic of winning football matches, which Alan Pardew (the perosn being discussed in this thread) is paid to do. Just broadening the debate is all I don't think anyone's debating that we won the game. Could've fooled me. We beat a confident Norwich side. Who don't forget, beat us 4-2 last time out. The point discussed is how we seem to win games by solitary goals usually dependent on some outstanding play by one of of Cisse, Ba or HBA instead of teamwork with a coherent formation and tactics (unless you consider the hoofing in the second half as tactics). The problem with the model that we are adopting is that we don't dominate games and can at anytime lose/draw games that in theory we should/can win. It also gives us next to zero chance (Man Utd game aside) of taking points of the top 4-6 teams even at home, which is what we should be targeting if we are serious on getting into Europe. Maybe some will have to wait till we get a tonking from Liverpool for the penny to drop. Dependant on outstanding play? Cant really say that in this example when Cisse missed more sitters than class goals he scored. We dont dominate games no, it hasnt made us less likely to lose/draw games than we should win in theory. Look back at the season, bar unusual circumstances we pretty much win every game you'd expect under Pardew. I made a thread on this yesterday. We definately do less well against the top 7 but its to be expected. Which games so far against them would you have expected more from us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Out of all the one players who scored a goal in the game, one of them was Newcastle player. That's very relevant to the topic of passing, cheers. Quite pertinent to the topic of winning football matches, which Alan Pardew (the perosn being discussed in this thread) is paid to do. Just broadening the debate is all I don't think anyone's debating that we won the game. Could've fooled me. We beat a confident Norwich side. Who don't forget, beat us 4-2 last time out. The point discussed is how we seem to win games by solitary goals usually dependent on some outstanding play by one of of Cisse, Ba or HBA instead of teamwork with a coherent formation and tactics (unless you consider the hoofing in the second half as tactics). The problem with the model that we are adopting is that we don't dominate games and can at anytime lose/draw games that in theory we should/can win. It also gives us next to zero chance (Man Utd game aside) of taking points of the top 4-6 teams even at home, which is what we should be targeting if we are serious on getting into Europe. Maybe some will have to wait till we get a tonking from Liverpool for the penny to drop. Dependant on outstanding play? Cant really say that in this example when Cisse missed more sitters than class goals he scored. We dont dominate games no, it hasnt made us less likely to lose/draw games than we should win in theory. Look back at the season, bar unusual circumstances we pretty much win every game you'd expect under Pardew. I made a thread on this yesterday. We definately do less well against the top 7 but its to be expected. Which games so far against them would you have expected more from us? Swansea at home, Wolves at home, Sunderland at home, West Brom at home. Definately more points on offer in those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 show me a team that's ever managed to maintain their place by eeking out wins when performing poorly and being outplayed in most games on their home turf it can be sustained for a while, but it always catches teams up if pardew doesn't change to better exploit the talent he has at his disposal then it'll catch him / us up sooner rather than, i guarantee it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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