Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Also forgotten about the Milner deal was he put in a transfer request after he didn't get the new deal he asked for (from the players mouth). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 name anyone in football management (playing or board side) who isn't a proven liar ? How many are proven and admit to it? loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Also forgotten about the Milner deal was he put in a transfer request after he didn't get the new deal he asked for (from the players mouth). I'd forgotten about that was too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 That tribunal wasn't even in a court ffs. It's still fairly damning that an independent tribunal branded them liars. you do understand the reason no-one is done for tapping up other players don't you...it's because no-one is clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. aren't those examples i gave also lying to the fans ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 That tribunal wasn't even in a court ffs. It's still fairly damning that an independent tribunal branded them liars. It is, it's just the fact it went to a tribunal was why it's been publicised hugely is why people hang on to it. This club has had numerous owners in the past who've been just a guilty in spouting bollocks to the fans to back their own case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Action X doesn't matter because person Y also carried out action X. Applies the world over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fine. Continue to beat up the monkey whilst the organ grinder stands there smugly watching. But you don't approve of beating up the organ grinder either, you say it's a waste of effort and won't make any difference Dave, hit the off button, this place is finished I never said I didn't approve of going after Ashley. My concern is everything that's been proposed will be like giving him a dead leg as opposed to 'beating him up'. It hasn't read that way, but ok fair enough. Seriously, have you got any thoughts at all about what can be done to beat him up/change him for the better? It's just that what I've read from you has been ultra-passive, almost to the point of masochism given that you agree they've been poisonous to the club and are likely to continue to be, and it's depressing stuff. Didn't originally intend to spring this on you in here, so apologies for that, but it's just you say you'd flout/weaken any boycott, won't abuse him in in the stadium for fear of the consequences etc. So what do you think can/should be done by supporters to improve the club's future? We've huffed and puffed before and nothing has happened. He's the man with the power at the end of the day and will go when he wants to - unless we can pluck a willing billionaire out of our arses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 you do understand the reason no-one is done for tapping up other players don't you...it's because no-one is clean. And? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Action X doesn't matter because person Y also carried out action X. Applies the world over. not it doesn't matter but if we want to be super clean and purely honest.....it'll cost us massivly. we couldn't handle the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. See. Makes it fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 you do understand the reason no-one is done for tapping up other players don't you...it's because no-one is clean. And? so do you want ashley to be 100% honest ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 aren't those examples i gave also lying to the fans ? Indirectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 you do understand the reason no-one is done for tapping up other players don't you...it's because no-one is clean. And? so do you want ashley to be 100% honest ? 1% would be a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. See. Makes it fine. No it doesn't, but people thinking that Ashley is a special case regarding to that he lied to the fans is a little naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 loads are proven and they will all admit it as part of the game. "no such and such isn't for sale" "no we aren't ineterested in such and such", "player x is definitly out at thew weekend", "no there was no altercation between myself and david beckham" as yul brynner would say etc etc etc. Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans. Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. See. Makes it fine. No it doesn't, but people thinking that Ashley is a special case regarding to that he lied to the fans is a little naive. Who said he was a special case? Mick was one of Shepherd's biggest critics, in case you've forgotten. You're the only special case in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 It is, it's just the fact it went to a tribunal was why it's been publicised hugely is why people hang on to it. This club has had numerous owners in the past who've been just a guilty in spouting bollocks to the fans to back their own case. And that makes it right? Just because others have then it's OK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. What has he got to do with this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Like Freddy Shepherd didn't as well. What has he got to do with this? It means we're all naive apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Fine. Continue to beat up the monkey whilst the organ grinder stands there smugly watching. But you don't approve of beating up the organ grinder either, you say it's a waste of effort and won't make any difference Dave, hit the off button, this place is finished I never said I didn't approve of going after Ashley. My concern is everything that's been proposed will be like giving him a dead leg as opposed to 'beating him up'. It hasn't read that way, but ok fair enough. Seriously, have you got any thoughts at all about what can be done to beat him up/change him for the better? It's just that what I've read from you has been ultra-passive, almost to the point of masochism given that you agree they've been poisonous to the club and are likely to continue to be, and it's depressing stuff. Didn't originally intend to spring this on you in here, so apologies for that, but it's just you say you'd flout/weaken any boycott, won't abuse him in in the stadium for fear of the consequences etc. So what do you think can/should be done by supporters to improve the club's future? We've huffed and puffed before and nothing has happened. He's the man with the power at the end of the day and will go when he wants to - unless we can pluck a willing billionaire out of our arses. It so fucking frustrating! As billionaire owners go he seems to be the most hands on, attending most of the games, watching training etc. If he wasnt so detested by other money men, he may have found a partner to help him with some of the burden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 so do you want ashley to be 100% honest ? In an ideal world, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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