madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? I think Enrique would be staying if Hughton had stayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. But he has no say over transfers! That's why the last transfer window wasn't his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? I think Enrique would be staying if Hughton had stayed. We will never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 But he has no say over transfers! That's why the last transfer window wasn't his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 This summer will tell if he's clueless when it comes to transfers or not i guess. even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. True Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Can't believe anyone can say Hughton doesn't get absolutely slated on here. People actually slag his signings then in the next post will say "Oh but poor old Pardew has no say over transfers" - no, he's absolutely f***ing clueless, that's the problem. "We're better off without Carroll", ok Alan I believe you. Has Alan said this? He sold him! I'm staggered that anybody can defend him after today's display. Cost us having millions of pounds and finishing above the mackems, all because he wanted to give Alan Smith a run out!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 he wants to be away because clubs he percieves to be bigger right now are after him. do you think he'd be staying if hughton were still here ? I think Enrique would be staying if Hughton had stayed. i don't. i think he was going as soon as carroll left and carroll would have left regardless of who was manager at that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Be fair Mick, judge him after the summer/in January/next summer/after next summer. Souness-esque, then everyone will claim they knew he was shit all along, like they did with that fool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Sounds like Smith scored 3 OG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? because the trannsfer window shuts in september then we have to have at least a week or two to see what he;s done with the window. i'd have thought that was pretty basic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 i don't. i think he was going as soon as carroll left and carroll would have left regardless of who was manager at that price. I was told in late December or early January that he'd fallen out with Pardew and posted it on here somewhere. I was told then that he would probably be away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Be fair Mick, judge him after the summer/in January/next summer/after next summer. Souness-esque, then everyone will claim they knew he was shit all along, like they did with that fool. Pretty sure everyone thought Souness was shit all along. Didn't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 i don't. i think he was going as soon as carroll left and carroll would have left regardless of who was manager at that price. I was told in late December or early January that he'd fallen out with Pardew and posted it on here somewhere. I was told then that he would probably be away. tell me more, particularly about the reasons for the fall out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Be fair Mick, judge him after the summer/in January/next summer/after next summer. Souness-esque, then everyone will claim they knew he was s*** all along, like they did with that fool. Pretty sure everyone thought Souness was s*** all along. Didn't they? i gave him far too much time, waiting for injuries to clear up etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 W 6, D 9, L 7. 27 points in 20 games Averaged out over a season it would have got us 8th, just behind Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Be fair Mick, judge him after the summer/in January/next summer/after next summer. Souness-esque, then everyone will claim they knew he was s*** all along, like they did with that fool. Aye, because that's what people are saying... Judge him after the Summer window - that's what people are saying. That's all people have ever said. There's no changing it to the next transfer window, or the transfer window after that. No blindly defending him, or slating Hughton to the high hills. Nobody defending him on today's performance. Nobody saying he has no say on transfers and Hughton did. Nobody saying he's a great manager and has done wonders for us. But do continue. I actually think you and Mick are great posters as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 because the trannsfer window shuts in september then we have to have at least a week or two to see what he;s done with the window. i'd have thought that was pretty basic. OK, so you're basically giving him the transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Imo the "loss" today was the players and Pardews fault, im not defending him but there's more people to blame than just one in this one game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 It looks like it will turn out to be true and the same person told me that Ben Arfa was ahead of his recovery schedule before that hit the papers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 W 6, D 9, L 7. 27 points in 20 games Averaged out over a season it would have got us 8th, just behind Everton. Scrub that I can't add up. 27 in 22. Would have taken us to 46 points in 38 which... Pardew out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 even the summer may not tell, the autumn will be a better guide. Why Autumn? Be fair Mick, judge him after the summer/in January/next summer/after next summer. Souness-esque, then everyone will claim they knew he was s*** all along, like they did with that fool. Pretty sure everyone thought Souness was s*** all along. Didn't they? i gave him far too much time, waiting for injuries to clear up etc. Never wanted him. He had the benefit of a first season in which all he had to do was rescue us from a brink that probably never existed. That gave him kudos in some quarters. Not much different from Pardew in that respect, imo. FWIW, I hated Souness from the off and I bloody detest Pardew. Let's see what happens in summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Pretty sure everyone thought Souness was s*** all along. Didn't they? Most thought that he was a good manager, a few didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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