SSN: Charles N'Zogbia to the mackems off

[Guest]

Nolan and Barton are in their late 20s and wanting longer deals to take them into their 30s on around £50-55k-ish.

 

The players we've bought, plus the Tiote contract are for key first-team players and signings who could potentially be first-team players for the next 5 years.

[Guest BooBoo]

I still cant stop chuckling at the bullshit idea that the club are spinning that the Carroll money has paid for Tiote's new deal.

 

At no other club, would the powers that be, have such brass neck. We really should be dusting off the pitch forks and burning torches. As my Dad said the other night, "it's just one con after another with this lot". I dont know how Llambias could keep a straight face when he told the Telegraph about the club's new bore hole.

 

FFS, at least the crook McKeag built the Milburn Stand with transfer money. This mob give us a bore hole and a new corrugated iron roof for the training ground changing rooms.

 

The more you think about it, the more incredulous it is.

 

 

[Wullie]

Nolan and Barton are in their late 20s and wanting longer deals to take them into their 30s on around £50-55k-ish.

 

The players we've bought, plus the Tiote contract are for key first-team players and signings who could potentially be first-team players for the next 5 years.

 

Won't have a problem stumping up 60/70k for N'Zogbia and Sturridge then in that case.

[Hanshithispantz]

I think he'd be on more than £30k mind, and at a complete guess I would say the £40-£50k mark. I just cannot see why he would come if he was on fairly standard wages.

 

 

[madras]

Nolan and Barton are in their late 20s and wanting longer deals to take them into their 30s on around £50-55k-ish.

 

The players we've bought, plus the Tiote contract are for key first-team players and signings who could potentially be first-team players for the next 5 years.

 

Won't have a problem stumping up 60/70k for N'Zogbia and Sturridge then in that case.

forgot the combined 20mill minimum fee.

[Guest]

Nolan and Barton are in their late 20s and wanting longer deals to take them into their 30s on around £50-55k-ish.

 

The players we've bought, plus the Tiote contract are for key first-team players and signings who could potentially be first-team players for the next 5 years.

 

Won't have a problem stumping up 60/70k for N'Zogbia and Sturridge then in that case.

 

I think £55k is about our limit which is what the top earners on the new contracts will be on. Could we justify paying N'Zogbia more than Tiote, Ben Arfa & Cabaye?

[Guest BooBoo]

Very much doubt Cabaye et all are on anything like the 60k a week some people seem to think they are.

 

French press were talking £50-55k when he signed.

 

Who are these journalists asking players who they're on and who are these players telling them?

 

I think wages are one thing that journalists take a complete guess at.

Like you've just done?

 

Indeed but I'm not putting it as fact in a newspaper.

 

We're always hearing that Ashley wants to get rid of players on 50k+ wages, hence Nolan, Barton being pushed out the door, hence not being willing to pay the going rate for Carroll, CN'Z and others... yet we're meant to believe he's just put another three, all gambles, on those wages that he'll probably be trying to nudge out in a few years time.

 

Sorry, don't buy it. If they are on £60k, it'll be very heavily incentivised. I don't have a problem with that in itself, but I do if it prevents us from signing other top players.

 

Failry sure a while ago, the famous club insider said Ashley wanted to run the club like he did the rest of his empire. Low basic wages with massive bonuses for success.

 

The likes of Cabaye will be on I reckon around 30k with a host of bonuses for goals, assists, top half finishes and a mega bonus for any trophy () wins.

[midds]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's fucking push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this fucking prick we won't.

[Guest]

And you think people like Ben Arfa & Cabaye would have happily signed for us on those wages, or that Tiote would have happily signed a new long-term contract for £30k a week?

 

Nonsense man.

[Mick]

 

 

Can't believe we're playing this game, but how about Tiote's payrise and 6 and a half year contract in February.

 

That'll have us down to about £15m at a guess.

[Mick]

I still cant stop chuckling at the bullshit idea that the club are spinning that the Carroll money has paid for Tiote's new deal.

 

At no other club, would the powers that be, have such brass neck. We really should be dusting off the pitch forks and burning torches. As my Dad said the other night, "it's just one con after another with this lot". I dont know how Llambias could keep a straight face when he told the Telegraph about the club's new bore hole.

 

FFS, at least the crook McKeag built the Milburn Stand with transfer money. This mob give us a bore hole and a new corrugated iron roof for the training ground changing rooms.

 

The more you think about it, the more incredulous it is.

 

 

 

What's this about a bore hole?

[Wullie]

And you think people like Ben Arfa & Cabaye would have happily signed for us on those wages, or that Tiote would have happily signed a new long-term contract for £30k a week?

 

Nonsense man.

 

A payrise is a payrise. Doubt the French league is where the money is and what will Tiote have been on at Twente? Peanuts.

 

All those players will know that NUFC will let them go the second anybody willing to pay higher comes in for them anyway.

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

[Guest BooBoo]

I still cant stop chuckling at the bullshit idea that the club are spinning that the Carroll money has paid for Tiote's new deal.

 

At no other club, would the powers that be, have such brass neck. We really should be dusting off the pitch forks and burning torches. As my Dad said the other night, "it's just one con after another with this lot". I dont know how Llambias could keep a straight face when he told the Telegraph about the club's new bore hole.

 

FFS, at least the crook McKeag built the Milburn Stand with transfer money. This mob give us a bore hole and a new corrugated iron roof for the training ground changing rooms.

 

The more you think about it, the more incredulous it is.

 

 

 

What's this about a bore hole?

 

This is one of them where I dont know whether you're bing serious or not.

 

If you are though, the Chronicle had an article this week with Pardew saying some of the Carroll money had been spent on improving the traing ground including the installation of a new bore hole.

[Guest]

Ben Arfa would have went to Werder, Tiote wouldn't have signed a new long-term deal, and Cabaye could have went elsewhere too if they were only on £30k.

[midds]

The way the club spun the Carroll fee was embarrassing. Not much different to a non-league club drawing Man U away in the third round of the FA Cup - "Aye, the cash this has brought into the club will keep us going for a couple of years." etc.

 

We're Newcastle United for fucks sake. Why can't we spend the money we bring in? We're not fucking Maidstone. 

[midds]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

[Mick]

 

This is one of them where I dont know whether you're bing serious or not.

 

If you are though, the Chronicle had an article this week with Pardew saying some of the Carroll money had been spent on improving the traing ground including the installation of a new bore hole.

 

 

I don't read the Chronicle too much so hadn't seen it.  I knew a bore hole had been sunk at the old brewery and assumed people were going on about that.

[Guest BooBoo]

The way the club spun the Carroll fee was embarrassing. Not much different to a non-league club drawing Man U away in the third round of the FA Cup - "Aye, the cash this has brought into the club will keep us going for a couple of years." etc.

 

We're Newcastle United for fucks sake. Why can't we spend the money we bring in? We're not fucking Maidstone.   

 

Very good analogy. 

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

[Guest]

The way the club spun the Carroll fee was embarrassing. Not much different to a non-league club drawing Man U away in the third round of the FA Cup - "Aye, the cash this has brought into the club will keep us going for a couple of years." etc.

 

We're Newcastle United for f***s sake. Why can't we spend the money we bring in? We're not f***ing Maidstone. 

 

Very good analogy. 

 

Acts such as spending 3-4 years of sponsorship money on Michael Owen doesn't help tbh. That has to be put back in somehow.

[Guest icemanblue]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

[Guest]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

 

Since coming back up, the only two significant losses are Carroll which 99% of clubs would have accepted, and Nolan who preferred longer-term security and payrise to captaining Newcastle. Harsh to call that a "model" as such.

[madras]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

alternativly they turn out to be cack and we can't get shot (see smith/xisco), we still have to pay them.

 

i'm not advocating that policy btw but it has to be held in mind and i'd like to know (not that i'm demanding we have a right to know) how much of the wage bill we are accounting for.

[midds]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It fucking stinks man.