Yohan Cabaye (now sporting coordinator at Paris Saint-Germain)

[Guest Nixon]

Don't forget that NUFC love the media, Mick. It's well known.

 

Cajun is actually spot on here.

 

There has been a lot of instances (especially this season) where the narrative of a post-match press conference has been transfer related. He'll be asked about match incidents of course, but I've seen instances in which a string of questions are posed about keeping a particular player or the transfer policy.

 

It's very rare it digresses to actual tactical discussion or anything deeper and I think he's in a very difficult position because of that. If he states 'no comment' then it's read into, if he says he won't be sold he knows he's making false promises. He has tried deflection before for those curious.

 

You have to remember that a lot of journalists use these press conferences to get specific quotes that enhance the narratives they wish to write about.

[BottledDog]

Don't forget that NUFC love the media, Mick. It's well known.

 

Cajun is actually spot on here.

 

There's been a lot of times especially this season where the narrative of a post-match press conference has been transfer related. He'll be asked about match incidents of course, but I've seen instances in which a string of questions are posed about keeping a particular player or the transfer policy.

 

It's very rare it digresses to actual tactical discussion or anything deeper and I think he's in a very difficult position because of that. If he states 'no comment' then it's read into, if he says he won't be sold he knows he's making false promises.

 

You have to remember that a lot of journalists use these press conferences to get specific quotes that enhance the narratives they wish to write about.

 

Bingo.

[Mick]

 

 

Cajun is actually spot on here.

 

There's been a lot of times especially this season where the narrative of a post-match press conference has been transfer related. He'll be asked about match incidents of course, but I've seen instances in which a string of questions are posed about keeping a particular player or the transfer policy.

 

It's very rare it digresses to actual tactical discussion or anything deeper and I think he's in a very difficult position because of that. If he states 'no comment' then it's read into, if he says he won't be sold he knows he's making false promises.

 

You have to remember that a lot of journalists use these press conferences to get specific quotes that enhance the narratives they wish to write about.

 

He can refuse to answer, he makes a choice not to and that's down to him.  If his words are turned around I'm sure Wendy Taylor will be happy to do something about it.

[Cajun]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

Nixon has confirmed my thoughts of how a press conference goes

[Mick]

 

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

Nixon has confirmed my thoughts of how a press conference goes

 

[Dave]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

[Cajun]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

 

Why would he? This is very 'comparing apples with oranges'.

[Guest Nixon]

 

 

Cajun is actually spot on here.

 

There's been a lot of times especially this season where the narrative of a post-match press conference has been transfer related. He'll be asked about match incidents of course, but I've seen instances in which a string of questions are posed about keeping a particular player or the transfer policy.

 

It's very rare it digresses to actual tactical discussion or anything deeper and I think he's in a very difficult position because of that. If he states 'no comment' then it's read into, if he says he won't be sold he knows he's making false promises.

 

You have to remember that a lot of journalists use these press conferences to get specific quotes that enhance the narratives they wish to write about.

 

He can refuse to answer, he makes a choice not to and that's down to him.  If his words are turned around I'm sure Wendy Taylor will be happy to do something about it.

 

Well that's just it, you can twist the written word quite easily. Quotes can be shortened or strung together with other sections and instantly you get an inaccurate reflection of what's said. I'm not saying these journalists are chronic liars or constantly twisting him into a position of no return. However, with Yohan Cabaye as an example, I've only ever seen Pardew want to discuss his talent and how important a cog he is for the football club.

 

It's the same with demanding that Wendy Taylor just sort it. When it's in the public domain you can't erase it. If you even try and exact a minute degree of control on the press you're painted as an Orwellian dictator by that very same press.

 

I do appreciate what you're saying about refusing to comment, but even that is fraught with potential pitfalls. Just evaluate the way those stories are written. They include adjectives in place of quotes. They paint him as 'visibly riled' or 'defiant'.

 

In my opinion it's best to look at the situation holistically. We're a club that looks to invest in talent with growth potential. We sign players for what we feel is below their true market value. I think we explain this to them. Once we've had the benefit of a good player for a few seasons we entertain bidders and look to maximise our profit margin. It's not ambitious, it's not exciting, but it's how we are at present.

[BottledDog]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

 

He'd get a hell of a lot of grief if he did.

Especially from the players other clubs and managers I'd imagine.

[Dave]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

 

Why would he? This is very 'comparing apples with oranges'.

 

Why? Transfer dealings are a private matter for the club, not the media. In or out.

[Cajun]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

 

Why would he? This is very 'comparing apples with oranges'.

 

Why? Transfer dealings are a private matter for the club, not the media. In or out.

 

Already expressed my opinion of why the 'no comment' thing wouldn't go down well which Nixon has basically confirmed (I assume he has been to a number of press conferences so knows more than most how they work).

 

Incoming and outgoing transfers are completely different things to me which is why I struggle to comprehend how they can be compared.

[BottledDog]

 

 

Asked this before and surprisingly no-one answered but if he says "No comment" I reckon there would be just as much uproar.

 

He is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to players being sold, he says they have a price and he is actively trying to sell players, refuses to answer and he is hiding something, says they definitely aren't for sale and he is lying like he did with Carroll.

 

One of the few things I actually have sympathy for him about.

 

He doesn't have to say "No comment," he can simply say that he's not willing to talk about players coming or going until contracts are signed.

 

Probably the best answer he could give but there is no way he wouldn't be criticised for it.

 

Does he get criticised for refusing to talk about potential incomings? Can't remember seeing that.

 

I don't want to be disrespectful but, what?

 

You're implying that he'd get grief for saying nothing about outgoings, right? Well he says nothing about incomings and I can't remember him ever getting grief for that.

 

Why would he? This is very 'comparing apples with oranges'.

 

Why? Transfer dealings are a private matter for the club, not the media. In or out.

 

Because rumoured outgoings have a negative effect on the club far more than rumoured incomings. Whether true or not the media and fans want to know about the state of your team and if a players is rumoured to be 'want-away' then as manager you need to answer questions and spell out whatever the situation is. You can't just keep stum and let the story simmer.

[Dave]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. Considering what's happened with the media in recent years I'm stunned that anyone could believe the club give a flying fuck about them.

[Cajun]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. Considering what's happened with the media in recent years I'm stunned that anyone could believe the club give a flying fuck about them.

 

The media or the players? If we were so desperate to advertise our players through the media I am not sure how banning the local rags would help that. Unless we thought SD.com was a sufficient brochure.

[Mick]

 

 

Well that's just it, you can twist the written word quite easily. Quotes can be shortened or strung together with other sections and instantly you get an inaccurate reflection of what's said. I'm not saying these journalists are chronic liars or constantly twisting him into a position of no return. However, with Yohan Cabaye as an example, I've only ever seen Pardew want to discuss his talent and how important a cog he is for the football club.

 

It's the same with demanding that Wendy Taylor just sort it. When it's in the public domain you can't erase it. If you even try and exact a minute degree of control on the press you're painted as an Orwellian dictator by that very same press.

 

I do appreciate what you're saying about refusing to comment, but even that is fraught with potential pitfalls. Just evaluate the way those stories are written. They include adjectives in place of quotes. They paint him as 'visibly riled' or 'defiant'.

 

In my opinion it's best to look at the situation holistically. We're a club that looks to invest in talent with growth potential. We sign players for what we feel is below their true market value. I think we explain this to them. Once we've had the benefit of a good player for a few seasons we entertain bidders and look to maximise our profit margin. It's not ambitious, it's not exciting, but it's how we are at present.

 

We're being told by some in this thread that Pardew isn't trying to sell the player, your last paragraph suggests that he might be.

[Cajun]

Reach for those straws Mick, reach up real high

[Shak]

A 'no comment' would be read into and twisted I'm sure, at least if be did it now given his history of commenting on speculation.

 

If he did it consistently over an extended period of time though I'd imagine after a while people would get the message. You'd still have some people looking to twist it every time, but I couldn't envisage them getting much traction with it.

 

I've long given up listening to a word the man says about anything though.

[Mick]

Reach for those straws Mick, reach up real high

 

What else could "Once we've had the benefit of a good player for a few seasons we entertain bidders and look to maximise our profit margin" mean?

[Tiresias]

The guardian have a vid up saying "pardew dodges question on Cabaye's future" I do think it's fair to say he can't win, I'm just concerned about the message to the player, imo he should be repeating that we want to keep cabaye and nothing about how he is for sale. If the player thinks his manager is saying he can go for the right bid he may get his agent looking for offers (albeit he probably is doing this anyway)

[Dave]

He doesn't even have to say anything as blunt as 'no comment'. Just not go on and on every fucking day about how we're as vulnerable as Wigan Athletic. Cabaye is our player and we should be looking to keep him unless something extraordinary happens. End of story.

[Mick]

The guardian have a vid up saying "pardew dodges question on Cabaye's future" I do think it's fair to say he can't win, I'm just concerned about the message to the player, imo he should be repeating that we want to keep cabaye and nothing about how he is for sale. If the player thinks his manager is saying he can go for the right bid he may get his agent looking for offers (albeit he probably is doing this anyway)

 

"Pardew dodges question on Cabaye's future" is meaningless.  How is that him being unable to win?

[Guest Nixon]

 

 

Well that's just it, you can twist the written word quite easily. Quotes can be shortened or strung together with other sections and instantly you get an inaccurate reflection of what's said. I'm not saying these journalists are chronic liars or constantly twisting him into a position of no return. However, with Yohan Cabaye as an example, I've only ever seen Pardew want to discuss his talent and how important a cog he is for the football club.

 

It's the same with demanding that Wendy Taylor just sort it. When it's in the public domain you can't erase it. If you even try and exact a minute degree of control on the press you're painted as an Orwellian dictator by that very same press.

 

I do appreciate what you're saying about refusing to comment, but even that is fraught with potential pitfalls. Just evaluate the way those stories are written. They include adjectives in place of quotes. They paint him as 'visibly riled' or 'defiant'.

 

In my opinion it's best to look at the situation holistically. We're a club that looks to invest in talent with growth potential. We sign players for what we feel is below their true market value. I think we explain this to them. Once we've had the benefit of a good player for a few seasons we entertain bidders and look to maximise our profit margin. It's not ambitious, it's not exciting, but it's how we are at present.

 

We're being told by some in this thread that Pardew isn't trying to sell the player, your last paragraph suggests that he might be.

Apologies, allow me to clarify. The 'we' in that sense is Mike Ashley and the club's higher ups. It serves no benefit for alan Pardew to sell his best players ,but I'm sure you know that.

[Guest strongbow69]

He doesn't even have to say anything as blunt as 'no comment'. Just not go on and on every fucking day about how we're as vulnerable as Wigan Athletic. Cabaye is our player and we should be looking to keep him unless something extraordinary happens. End of story.

 

[Tiresias]

The guardian have a vid up saying "pardew dodges question on Cabaye's future" I do think it's fair to say he can't win, I'm just concerned about the message to the player, imo he should be repeating that we want to keep cabaye and nothing about how he is for sale. If the player thinks his manager is saying he can go for the right bid he may get his agent looking for offers (albeit he probably is doing this anyway)

 

"Pardew dodges question on Cabaye's future" is meaningless.  How is that him being unable to win?

 

I mean it's taken by press he's for sale if he says anything or not  That said I agree Pardew could handle it a lot better.

 

[The Prophet]

After two seasons of inconsistency he's finally showing his quality. Shame the club can't show the ambition players of his quality need to see.