AlanSkÃrare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Chairman has sensible transfer policy and fans demand more expenditure shocker Sensible? Having 3 senior CB's at the club, 1 who is injury prone and 1 is a Championship level defender is sensible? Having 3 senior strikers at the club (now 2), 1 of which is Shola Ameobi, is sensible? It's far from sensible, it's downright stupid and is hurting us now on the pitch. It's not about the expenditure, it's about having a balanced squad with depth. Our squad was short for last season BUT with the additional European games it was obvious more bodies were needed and we didn't get it, that isn't sensible. I think there lies a pretty serious problem within in the view of "purple players". It's not treating football as a squad game, but as a process where you try to assemble 11 good players and then hope for the rest to fill in on as few occasions as possible. It's yet another example of how little Ashley and Llambias actually understand about football. They've implemented an interesting enough business model that I firmly believe is our way forward. It does however need revising and tweaking. Relying on people from the development squad and having James Perch play in every position - it's not how football works, especially not if you want to move forward. It worked briefly during last season, but we were not hit by any amount of injuries. It gave them a false impression of how things work. They've shown before that they learn from their mistakes, they just need to quit making new ones. I hope this period serves as a warning to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 His transfer policy is flawed, it suits us fine with no injuries but every team gets injuries and there is no adequate backups in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 He had to put cash in when we went down, as well as pay off the mortgage for ground re-development when he bought the club. It's gonna take some paying back. I'm no expert, but I would guess that he will take enough so the club 'just' doesn't have to turn a profit, otherwise he would have to pay tax on that (Not sure though!) Is Quaysider around? Yes Basically, as at 30th June 2011, he had paid £138 million to buy the club and since then put in £140 million by way of interest free loans. Total exposure was therefore £278 million. He'd not taken any money back to reduce his loans since buying the club. 2012 accounts are due out within the next 3 months so we will have to wait until they are published to see if anything's changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 His transfer policy is flawed, it suits us fine with no injuries but every team gets injuries and there is no adequate backups in place. Yip, however his policy has brought us Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, ben Arfa, Tiote, Anita, Santon, Debuchy, Marveux in last 3 seasons. Not bad really. The problem is the mindset that someone needs to be sold to offset this, even if Simpson / Williamson goes we need that squad player. We also need to develop players like Sammy, Tav, Fergie, Abeid, Bigi, Amalfatino, Streete, Campbell, Inman, Dummett to be capable of playing in the team. It's up to the manager to work that one out as it could solve a few problems really. Getting a few of those to being good players to bring in with right mentality, tactical nous, discipline etc would save us a fortune but we need the coaching and management to drill it into them because tactical and discipline seems shocking in all but Bigi - never seen Streete obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Who's fault was it we went down again...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 He had to put cash in when we went down, as well as pay off the mortgage for ground re-development when he bought the club. It's gonna take some paying back. I'm no expert, but I would guess that he will take enough so the club 'just' doesn't have to turn a profit, otherwise he would have to pay tax on that (Not sure though!) Is Quaysider around? I believe previous losses can be offset against profits so there's plenty time before tax becomes an issue as we have a rather long history of losses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Who's fault was it we went down again...... Oh definitely his through getting ridiculous managers, this time round I would say a mixture of Management and Ownership if we went down. Not bringing in CB and RB in summer was sheer stupidity considering our collapses against Fulham, Spurs etc last season, however Pardew in my opinion has still had chances to win games with good players available and has fluffed it big style Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Chairman has sensible transfer policy and fans demand more expenditure shocker Sensible? Having 3 senior CB's at the club, 1 who is injury prone and 1 is a Championship level defender is sensible? Having 3 senior strikers at the club (now 2), 1 of which is Shola Ameobi, is sensible? It's far from sensible, it's downright stupid and is hurting us now on the pitch. It's not about the expenditure, it's about having a balanced squad with depth. Our squad was short for last season BUT with the additional European games it was obvious more bodies were needed and we didn't get it, that isn't sensible. I think there lies a pretty serious problem within in the view of "purple players". It's not treating football as a squad game, but as a process where you try to assemble 11 good players and then hope for the rest to fill in on as few occasions as possible. It's yet another example of how little Ashley and Llambias actually understand about football. They've implemented an interesting enough business model that I firmly believe is our way forward. It does however need revising and tweaking. Relying on people from the development squad and having James Perch play in every position - it's not how football works, especially not if you want to move forward. It worked briefly during last season, but we were not hit by any amount of injuries. It gave them a false impression of how things work. They've shown before that they learn from their mistakes, they just need to quit making new ones. I hope this period serves as a warning to them. Business building owner and casino manager chairman in lack of football knowledge shocker....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What was the actual 'purple players' comment? Was it about team selection or transfer policy or what? Forgot exactly now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What was the actual 'purple players' comment? Was it about team selection or transfer policy or what? Forgot exactly now. The context was about how it was difficult to buy more purple players as we could only afford so and so many. That makes it difficult to assemble a competitive squad capable of coping with injuries. Llambias quotes: “We’ve made it quite clear to everyone. We have 11 positions that are grade A players or ‘purples’, as we call them. “Then, under them, we have the players who come in to take the positions so the squad gets bigger. Eventually we’ll have 33 players who will be pushing for a first-team position. “Where we are now is that we have, in effect, 11 purples if you count Anita – he can play midfield, right-back, left-back. They are there. “In the centre-back area you have Colo and Steven Taylor, who are fantastic centre-backs. Could we bring in another centre-back then? You have Perchy who is doing a fantastic job, Willo who is doing a fantastic job. “You can’t have two purples per position because the club can’t afford it. You have to be realistic.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 His transfer policy is flawed, it suits us fine with no injuries but every team gets injuries and there is no adequate backups in place. Yip, however his policy has brought us Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, ben Arfa, Tiote, Anita, Santon, Debuchy, Marveux in last 3 seasons. Not bad really. The problem is the mindset that someone needs to be sold to offset this, even if Simpson / Williamson goes we need that squad player. We also need to develop players like Sammy, Tav, Fergie, Abeid, Bigi, Amalfatino, Streete, Campbell, Inman, Dummett to be capable of playing in the team. It's up to the manager to work that one out as it could solve a few problems really. Getting a few of those to being good players to bring in with right mentality, tactical nous, discipline etc would save us a fortune but we need the coaching and management to drill it into them because tactical and discipline seems shocking in all but Bigi - never seen Streete obviously Inman ? The guy was scoring and creating goals for the reserves earlier in the season and didn't even get near the first team.... What has happened to him ? He's over 20 now isn't he ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 33 players pushing for the 1st 11..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 purple's wankers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I remember now, cheers. A bit contradictory really, but then again nobody has two or three players per position who are of the same quality, even Man City. The question is how much of a step down the second string is. And at the moment it seems too big. Ba to Shola is an unacceptable drop in quality. And even that wouldn't be too much of a problem unless you end up with four or five of the reserves playing at once, which is what we have because of injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I remember now, cheers. A bit contradictory really, but then again nobody has two or three players per position who are of the same quality, even Man City. The question is how much of a step down the second string is. And at the moment it seems too big. Ba to Shola is an unacceptable drop in quality. And even that wouldn't be too much of a problem unless you end up with four or five of the reserves playing at once, which is what we have because of injuries. Ba to Shola was just one of many. Hatem to Sammy Santon to Ferguson Coloccini to Perch Taylor to Williamson Anita to Abeid The only backup I'm content with as of now is Cabaye to Marveaux Tioté to Perch Debuchy to Simpson Bigirimana is decent at times. But in effect, we have four players good enough to be backup. Ryan Taylor and Gabriel Obertan could be added to that. Still far off what is acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yep, true. The problem is that the backup isn't good enough and also that too many of them are playing. The first is bad planning to a certain extent, but the effect is maximised because of the amount of the reserves who are getting games at once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What was the actual 'purple players' comment? Was it about team selection or transfer policy or what? Forgot exactly now. The context was about how it was difficult to buy more purple players as we could only afford so and so many. That makes it difficult to assemble a competitive squad capable of coping with injuries. Llambias quotes: “We’ve made it quite clear to everyone. We have 11 positions that are grade A players or ‘purples’, as we call them. “Then, under them, we have the players who come in to take the positions so the squad gets bigger. Eventually we’ll have 33 players who will be pushing for a first-team position. “Where we are now is that we have, in effect, 11 purples if you count Anita – he can play midfield, right-back, left-back. They are there. “In the centre-back area you have Colo and Steven Taylor, who are fantastic centre-backs. Could we bring in another centre-back then? You have Perchy who is doing a fantastic job, Willo who is doing a fantastic job. “You can’t have two purples per position because the club can’t afford it. You have to be realistic.” Fucking laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 At what point did llambias qualify as a sound judge of footballing talent? A casino manager until a few years back & now he`s sudenly re-invented as an almost sage like figure offering opinions on the playing staff that are quite clearly bullshit. I`m not sure what worries me more: Either this is his opinion & transfer policy is being infuenced by such, or this is Pardews thoughts-by proxy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It's not really that mental, all he's basically saying is we can't afford two great players per position, with one sitting on the bench. I don't think that's insane, the debate is over the quality of the specific replacements (let's call them 'brown' players!). And the real crisis comes when more than a couple of purples are out injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 We don't even have 11 purples..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It's not really that mental, all he's basically saying is we can't afford two great players per position, with one sitting on the bench. I don't think that's insane, the debate is over the quality of the specific replacements (let's call them 'brown' players!). And the real crisis comes when more than a couple of purples are out injured. Every thing he's done in his time here suggests he doesn't want any thing beyond a good starting 11 and some youngsters to fill the gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yeah and fuck the injuries/suspensions/drops in form. They never happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yeah and fuck the injuries/suspensions/drops in form. They never happen. Obviously that's the complication. Like I said, the crisis comes when too many of the main men are missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yeah and fuck the injuries/suspensions/drops in form. They never happen. Obviously that's the complication. Like I said, the crisis comes when too many of the main men are missing. Or two, if you're Alan Pardew. We can only afford eleven fucking genuine first team players, what a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Yeah and fuck the injuries/suspensions/drops in form. They never happen. Obviously that's the complication. Like I said, the crisis comes when too many of the main men are missing. Or two, if you're Alan Pardew. We can only afford eleven fucking genuine first team players, what a joke. Hopefully he didn't literally mean that it didn't matter at all about the quality of the squad. In fact he specifically said that he did want the others to be pushing for a place. Obviously the reality right now is that the backup players do not look up to it. Missing HBA, Taylor and Cabaye at once was always going to have a major impact too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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