Guest tollemache Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 yeah but the implication is that 5th should be an immediate springboard to finishing above 5th... 'ambition' in that case would mean going for the CL places The target for the season was top 8 - some kind of European finish. And that probably should've been more or less the target for this season too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 sorry....edited my post while you were replying, it looks like, so I think I've already replied... shambles I think my point is that the £140m is still a much-needed investment in the club, out of his own pocket, regardless of how it came about. People occasionally write it off as though it's not really a proper investment, because he didn't do due diligence. It's not really much of a point is it? Let's move on That means he owns the stadium just not the ground on which it is built. The council own this but would never dream of not leasing to the club due to back lash from tax paying supporters in a one club city. Let's put the finances in to perspective. No outstanding transfer fees are owed every recent player is bought cash up front and only wages to pay. We made £12m last accounts and this is only the tip of the iceberg. In years to come with the extra TV revenue we will be a rich club but the gamble now is to invest a bit to ensure we are still around for the gravy train. It seems there is intent as rumours are Mike is willing to spend let's wait an see. Last resort is acting outside your policy or even loans. Yeah I think we've seen enough so far in the window to know that we're prepared to spend, just not significantly above market value. Will be interesting to see what happens as the window wears on, if everyone keeps poaching our targets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 yeah but the implication is that 5th should be an immediate springboard to finishing above 5th... 'ambition' in that case would mean going for the CL places The target for the season was top 8 - some kind of European finish. And that probably should've been more or less the target for this season too In all fairness everyone knew we preformed above expectations last season and any fan would of been happy to challenge for 5th again and finish 6th or 7th at a push. Any fan I've spoken too would have been more than satisfied with that level of 'ambition' for this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 We are only going to spend what we bring in unless there is a massive change of heart (something Pardew has clearly been pressing for). Still p*ssed off that the fallout from the Keegan debarcle saw Ashley saying f*** it, the plan was to throw an extra £20 million of my own money a year but I'm bollocked if I'm going to do it now. I'm fairly sympathetic to the reasons for him falling out of love for the project, but christ, think of the difference it would have made to us. You're sympathetic towards Ashley. He gets no sympathy from me, he could have prevented the situation but didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Well WH said if they signed Carroll it would financially kill them for a long time. Instead they signed that winger for what 11-12m and now 3.5m on this kid.Close to Carol money. They must be near their limit so bid for Diame offer him a great contract and see if they want to keep him by diverting resources at a new contract or signing this left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My worry is that the ease that we won the Championship last time makes Ashley think it wouldnt be disastrous if it happened again. The TV money covered by high profile sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 yeah but the implication is that 5th should be an immediate springboard to finishing above 5th... 'ambition' in that case would mean going for the CL places The target for the season was top 8 - some kind of European finish. And that probably should've been more or less the target for this season too I would agree with 8th being the starting position, but we are quite some way from that. The sad thing for me is that this situation was predicted by many. That being the case, how come the management appeared unwilling or unable to see the potential problems of mounting European & PL campaigns with an overly small squad. Do these guys (DEkka & Mike) have to learn everything the hard way? We already have been relegated once, would twice teach them the lesson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My worry is that the ease that we won the Championship last time makes Ashley think it wouldnt be disastrous if it happened again. The TV money covered by high profile sales. We would end up with a far weaker squad than last time and few if any of those left have the mentality of Nolan and co. Mind you the wage bill would plummet!! If we went down, unless we recruited well, I doubt we would come straight back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My worry is that the ease that we won the Championship last time makes Ashley think it wouldnt be disastrous if it happened again. The TV money covered by high profile sales. We would end up with a far weaker squad than last time and few if any of those left have the mentality of Nolan and co. Mind you the wage bill would plummet!! If we went down, unless we recruited well, I doubt we would come straight back up. I know that , you know that. But does Ashley ? I wouldn't anything past him bar the common sense approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My worry is that the ease that we won the Championship last time makes Ashley think it wouldnt be disastrous if it happened again. The TV money covered by high profile sales. We would end up with a far weaker squad than last time and few if any of those left have the mentality of Nolan and co. Mind you the wage bill would plummet!! If we went down, unless we recruited well, I doubt we would come straight back up. I know that , you know that. But does Ashley ? I wouldn't anything past him bar the common sense approach. He doesnt give a fuck anyway man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 My worry is that the ease that we won the Championship last time makes Ashley think it wouldnt be disastrous if it happened again. The TV money covered by high profile sales. We would end up with a far weaker squad than last time and few if any of those left have the mentality of Nolan and co. Mind you the wage bill would plummet!! If we went down, unless we recruited well, I doubt we would come straight back up. I know that , you know that. But does Ashley ? I wouldn't anything past him bar the common sense approach. He doesnt give a f*** anyway man. You really think that? Very few Premiership supporters think their owners have much of a clue. Most owners do not do what the supporters want. Even amongst the most wealthy and successful clubs that is the case. Ashley has many millions invested here and imho he does give a huge f*ck about it. But it is going to be done his way, we will get some good things from that - and some bad. Right now there's no doubt which of the two ends of the range we are at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah the idea that he's somehow not incentivised to try to make a good fist of running the club irks me a bit. He's got more of an incentive than any of us, in that he stands to make, or lose, lots of millions of pounds depending on how we do. Relegation would be a financial catastrophe for him, not to mention the damage to his ego. People talk on here like he honestly couldn't give a flying fuck how the club does but he's absolutely up to his armpits in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 And as for the idea that he'd happily gamble on relegation and re-promotion, on the eve of an enormous TV payout... it hardly warrants discussion. What an insane gamble that'd be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 So he'll get in the players we need before Feb 1st. Phew. Cheers for letting us know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We are only going to spend what we bring in unless there is a massive change of heart (something Pardew has clearly been pressing for). Still p*ssed off that the fallout from the Keegan debarcle saw Ashley saying f*** it, the plan was to throw an extra £20 million of my own money a year but I'm bollocked if I'm going to do it now. I'm fairly sympathetic to the reasons for him falling out of love for the project, but christ, think of the difference it would have made to us. You're sympathetic towards Ashley. He gets no sympathy from me, he could have prevented the situation but didn't. Right on the nose Mick - Ashley showed that he was a useless man manager in his handling of the KK situation. Anyone with any sense would have backed Keegan until the club was back on an even keel at least. Ashley is arrogant and lacks football knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whatever he does, he'd have to be a lunatic to think it'll be ok if he just lets us get relegated. Which was clearly my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whatever he does, he'd have to be a lunatic to think it'll be ok if he just lets us get relegated. Which was clearly my point Well we agree, but my point is we'll see in the next 2 weeks. If we don't bring in a forward and a centre half then it doesn't matter if we stay up or not, he's taking the risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Whatever he does, he'd have to be a lunatic to think it'll be ok if he just lets us get relegated. Which was clearly my point Well we agree, but my point is we'll see in the next 2 weeks. If we don't bring in a forward and a centre half then it doesn't matter if we stay up or not, he's taking the risk. Or they are, as a group, yes. If nobody else comes in I'll be as pissed off as you because I don't think 2 windows of that kind of thing is acceptable, especially in the current climate. I think we're at the point where you make a Mertesacker-style exception to your transfer policy and just make sure you have the right bodies on the ground right now. I will be astounded if nobody else comes in, I really will, and I'll be royally fucked off, but I refuse to spit feathers until that deadline passes. With all the activity generally coming together right towards the end of the window each year, it'd just be a waste of energy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 You're not bothered about tomorrow's result then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Of course, it's a massive game... what did I say that made you think I wasn't bothered!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Well it would have been canny to have not been forced to play Obertan and Williamson tomorrow in a crucial game that could end up being the difference between us staying up and going down, that's all. We've had 19 days to ensure that's not the case, we're gambling on a smaller scale by leaving it late in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Ah I see... yeah it would've been great to get everything wrapped up in the first half of the window but I don't see that as a realistic expectation to hold anyone to, under any circumstances, unless we're willing to pay megabucks to make sure all question of competition over players is totally ruled out. As long as we're a normal club, and not Man City, we have to accept that a lot of our January business will tend to happen nearer to February, and I don't think that's something you can realistically ask the board to click their fingers and do anything about, so I kind of separate that from the issue of upcoming games. It's nobody's fault if we bring all our signings in on the 31st of January, really. The business of beating Reading is Pardew's. There's no question of bringing in signings before any particular game in January for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 :lol: So they fucked up in August but they can't be expected to make up the difference a bit in January? You're unbelievable mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 It's not a question of 'making up the difference'. I don't think the transfer window works that way at all. Even if we had a few more million to splash than we do, I don't think we'd end up doing most of our business til later in the month. I think they do have to 'make up the difference' in that they'd bloody well better get some bodies in by the end of the window but I don't think you can just dictate when that happens unless you have an absolute shedload of cash. And I think I'm quite believable, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 And if you don't think we need every possible advantage at the moment you're really in for a shock. Imagine the buzz tomorrow if we'd started the game with a new forward, blitzed Reading and pushed on from there. But no "There's no question of bringing in signings before any particular game in January for me". If they gave a fuck about the club they'd have been gutted at their summer indecision by October and would have started lining things up. They're trying to get away with the smallest possible outlay they can man, and you know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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