madras Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Cabaye is the best midfielder in France? Guaranteed starter in Laurent Blancs side, I think I`ll take his opinion over yours. he's played in the last couple of france games like he has recently for us, he's burning out. The current situation at his daily employer affects his performances elsewhere, what a shocker. i've been saying since october he's at risk of burning out. doing much more this season than last, much much more in his case, you just can't do it in that short a space of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Oh, the premier pick? I stand corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 He is not suited to his current heel-snapping role, hopefully he will be in a more advanced role tomorrow. We play at home vs a freshly promoted team who are currently comfortably below us in the table. We should boss them fairly comfortably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 BTW Cabaye is a totally different player for France than he is for us, he plays the Xavi/Pirlo role for France and quite frankly they dont have a better player to do that role its not suprising he starts for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Yup. I have seen perhaps half of his games for france the last few years, always struck me as a very rounded and quality midfielder. Sadly he has been very poor for us, which I cant help but feel is due to how we use him. I dont think our current side is very well suited to creative and offensive-minded players, hence why both cisse and Ben Arfa struggle to either get games or fit into the side, or when it comes to Cabaye or ba - go sour and off boil. If we are to stick with Pardew which we seem set to do for the next 4 years, we are best suited to players such as Shola and Best, who excel at hold-up play and getting stuck in, along with big physical defensive midfielders and another winger like Jonas on the right flank to protect Simpson properly. We should also look into getting a NASA sponsorship, could help them launch a few satelites between matchdays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 What a load of nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Any chance we can have a day sometime soon where you're not acting an obnoxious arsehole to anyone and everyone? Be nice for a change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Negative nonsense just for a bit of attention on a matchday is arseholish. Same old crap. Blame the manager first and our £4m superstars second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Cabaye has always been a deep-lying playmaker. Everyone was saying Cabaye and Tiote were the best midfield partnership in the league January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hatem have been getting stick for a while up until recently for not working hard enough and adapting to Pardews tactics. The problem was with the player. Now both Cabaye and Ba are losing form and a failure to integrate Cissè properly into the side alongside Demba is also looming. Could the problem not be with the players, but with the manager? Or maybe...just maybe...it takes time for players to settle, for a team to gel, etc. Ludicrous suggestion I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It's really down to tactics, I think if we had better centrebacks Pardew would feel free to give them more room to be creative and dictate play. As it stands' it's Colo and 3 muppets so both Tiote and Cabaye have to focus on defending and can't nearly go forward as freely. I love Tiote in his current role and honestly having someone like Cabaye to pass it to once he wins the ball should have been the makings of a great Gattuso-Pirlo esque partnership, unfortunately we don't and I think the team is really suffering from not having a coherent midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 You only have to look at Swansea and Norwich and see teams with supposed lesser players than ours outplaying teams at times. We have some quality technique but quite simply don't open the pitch up enough to use it. Movement is next to 0, the formation is very rigid and midfield always seems flat. With the quality we have in the centre and wings we should have torn at least one team a new one, Instead of worrying about what another team is going to do, why not for once let them worry about us and how to contain us. I am totally frustrated at Krul/Williamson/Anyone hoofing the ball up to Ba/Cisse when it is quite clear their strengths are on the ground rather than a bring it down and hold type. We need to use Ba and Cisse's movement and have midfield support. Personally think the best movement we have had is when Jonas played a sort of free role in front of midfield, in fact it seems to suit him more than winger and his short passing and energy work there, whereas on wing his end product is often lacking. Even when we play hoof ball, why do we not have someone chasing up the second ball. That's exactly how other teams are effective at it by getting to the ball when it drops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrSundlofer Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. What a load of nonsense. Negative nonsense just for a bit of attention on a matchday is arseholish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Any chance we can have a day sometime soon where you're not acting an obnoxious arsehole to anyone and everyone? Be nice for a change. Yeah ok Dave, why not ask for world peace too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Cabaye has always been a deep-lying playmaker. Everyone was saying Cabaye and Tiote were the best midfield partnership in the league January. There it is again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. 3 points off 8th come off it man, survival is success for them and they are nearly there mug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. 3 points off 8th come off it man, survival is success for them and they are nearly there mug And 6th isn't success for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I don't think you can blame the CBs for hoofing it long. Often they dont' have an option. The midfield is so poor at working the ball through to the attack that possession often goes back to the defenders under pressure from the opposition. If you look at what was our first choice midfield four of Taylor-Tiote-Cabaye-Jonas, only one of those players is truly comfortable on the ball. Of the full backs, Simpson is very nervous in possession. Santon is far better in attack, but seems to leave us light in defence at the moment. Ben Arfa looks better in a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3. Finally, we don't really have a striker that looks good in the more withdrawn role that I think you need in a 4-4-2. (Call it 4-4-1-1 if you like) There's not much movement up front. So altogether, it's no wonder that we look a bit crude and static in our 4-4-2. I'd shed one of our 4 strikers and get in a Moses / Hoillett type. Also get in a RB (unless Fergie is ready and we can switch Santon across). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. 3 points off 8th come off it man, survival is success for them and they are nearly there mug And 6th isn't success for us? Oh without a doubt it is, but since the turn of the year we have been fucking terrible and playing very negative football with no plan b. That worries the fuck out of me. If it does not change we won't remain in that top 7 thats for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I don't think you can blame the CBs for hoofing it long. Often they dont' have an option. The midfield is so poor at working the ball through to the attack that possession often goes back to the defenders under pressure from the opposition. If you look at what was our first choice midfield four of Taylor-Tiote-Cabaye-Jonas, only one of those players is truly comfortable on the ball. Of the full backs, Simpson is very nervous in possession. Santon is far better in attack, but seems to leave us light in defence at the moment. Ben Arfa looks better in a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3. Finally, we don't really have a striker that looks good in the more withdrawn role that I think you need in a 4-4-2. (Call it 4-4-1-1 if you like) There's not much movement up front. So altogether, it's no wonder that we look a bit crude and static in our 4-4-2. I'd shed one of our 4 strikers and get in a Moses / Hoillett type. Also get in a RB (unless Fergie is ready and we can switch Santon across). The biggest problem with the midfield 4 you mention is the lack of movement from wide areas, its all quite tame, I think movement is key, Ryan Taylor offers only an early cross from right wing, nothing more. Jonas only seems to make the runs when the ball is in flight rather than running before the ball is hit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. 3 points off 8th come off it man, survival is success for them and they are nearly there mug what, are you ten years old? You've said that Norwich cause team problems but we dont, yet here we are, 6th in the league. How do you exlain that one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Norwich play awful, percentage football. But they are effective at it and cause a lot of problems for other team, we don't Yeah, the league table backs up your argument on that one. 3 points off 8th come off it man, survival is success for them and they are nearly there mug what, are you ten years old? You've said that Norwich cause team problems but we dont, yet here we are, 6th in the league. How do you exlain that one? Think a lot of it comes down to before Ba and Tiote went to African nations when Ba was on form and scoring, since then we have been horrific to watch. The only really convincing performance I have seen us give in last 6 months was against Man U, good results can mask all sorts of issues. My point is that teams like Norwich and Swansea actually have a go rather than totally worrying about what wolves etc are going to do to us. He will no doubt look to contain Holt or Morrison today rather than attack the fuck out of their defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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