The College Dropout Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Poor by his standards? 8 league goals in 36 games is poor by anyone's standard for a #9. He missed a good number of those types of opportunities imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 To be fair CD, Cisse does have certain strengths compared to other strikers, even very good ones. For example, I rate his ability for instinctive finishes, where he doesn’t have much time for decision making, very highly. Also, he’s not exactly afraid to try a speculative effort from long range, and is surprisingly good at hitting them well. That said, I don’t know how the players around him can change their game to provide this type of chance more often than not, other than getting the ball to him quickly from the wings, which admittedly we aren’t doing anywhere near enough. For me, the problem is not a lack of service, as I don’t think he gets fewer chances than other Premiership strikers, it’s a problem of lack of confidence and composure. The first can be remedied, although not easily, I’m not sure if the second can. Either way, for me neither of these major reservations I have with him are primarily a result of other players or Pardew/tactics letting him down more than Cisse just not being that kind of striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I agree fully with what you're saying. That's kind of my point. An in-form Cisse doesn't need a particular style of play, just get it to him in and around the box and he'll do the rest. The back-to-goal thing, if you're upfront by yourself you'll probably spend a good piece of time doing that if the team is under the cosh. I would say first time shots from crosses and we do kinda try to get ti in the box although not with the most guile. And through balls but a lot of teams in the division defend rather deep. But overall, most of his issues are down to his own poor performance/limitations. Pardew is a poor manager imo. I can't see him gee'ing up Cisse or whoever the way SBR had Bellamy feeling 6'4. But each player with a good amount of ability and experience should look at themselves primarily after last season's horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Happy 28th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Happy 28th. 28!?OMG! SELL SELL SELL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/LSr8W2H.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Looks like a black davros Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 http://i.imgur.com/LSr8W2H.gif :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 OK - Selling papiss would be mad. He is an awesome striker and we should do "anything" to keep him and make him happy. Selling him will also have negative effect on the squad...we need to keep (all) our key players for the next season. Next season is our last chance to achieve something big with this squad. It has the potential! Last season we were s*it and he had no service. NO SERVICE. He is the main reason we stayed up! If we started producing chances and playing good he will easily make 15 goals or more next season. NO DOUBT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. what about those injury time goals out of nothing... He played a big role in us staying up then, happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Yes. It's just annoying hearing that. It might be true of Benteke or a 15 goal striker in the side that finished 15th. Or even a lad scoring 6 goals in the last 8 games or something after not getting much of a look in ala Tevez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There wasn't really any individual who kept us up, he did his bit. Also had a couple more goals that were actually onside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 These disallowed goals are a bit of a red herring as they are just something that is expected off that type of player. You just have to accept that a certain number of goals will be given offside (correctly or not) and then expect goals to be scored on top of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. what about those injury time goals out of nothing... He played a big role in us staying up then, happy A better striker would have scored the several chances he fucked up during the games way before any injury time drama. His goals were important, only he needs to double that tally before I can call him a serious goal threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There wasn't really any individual who kept us up, he did his bit. Also had a couple more goals that were actually onside. Like the S'hampton winner. Like James says, swings and roundabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. what about those injury time goals out of nothing... He played a big role in us staying up then, happy A better striker would have scored the several chances he fucked up during the games way before any injury time drama. His goals were important, only he needs to double that tally before I can call him a serious goal threat. Usually he does double that tally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. what about those injury time goals out of nothing... He played a big role in us staying up then, happy A better striker would have scored the several chances he f***ed up during the games way before any injury time drama. His goals were important, only he needs to double that tally before I can call him a serious goal threat. I would have him down as a serious goal threat already. He is our only serious goal threat. We rely on him far too much to produce the goals. He did miss a hell of a lot of chances last season and it could have been costly but i think he under performed just like the rest of the squad and manager did but i don't think that takes away the fact of him being a serious goal threat in his entire career to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 An 8 goal striker isn't the reason we stayed up. what about those injury time goals out of nothing... He played a big role in us staying up then, happy A better striker would have scored the several chances he fucked up during the games way before any injury time drama. His goals were important, only he needs to double that tally before I can call him a serious goal threat. Usually he does double that tally. In this league and in this team he's has a special 5 months then an absolute wash out of a season, I'd settle for somewhere in-between that next season. I think his time here is enough to judge him off, if he has another poor season next season then he's simply that level of player who happened to have an epic arrival to the league then faded to his usual self. Pardew has a lot to answer for but Pardew doesn't make him miss from 5 yards. Btw he's only got that (double this season) once in a top league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 That's another excellent point. His record isn't as good as people make it. In top divisions he's had 2 good seasons. 22 in 32 one year. And 22 in 31 the next which is brilliant no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 37 in 65 for Freiburg, 21 in 50 for us, 11 in 22 for Senegal. According to wikipedia, which I guess is near enough. That'll do me like. I don't understand the point about him not being a goal threat at all. For me he looks one of the most natural predators I've ever seen, always looking and thinking about scoring. He didn't have a good season, but nobody did. The problem we had was our team wasn't functioning. Can't understand why we would do anything other than just play him, support him and enjoy his goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 37 in 65 for Freiburg, 21 in 50 for us, 11 in 22 for Senegal. According to wikipedia, which I guess is near enough. That'll do me like. I don't understand the point about him not being a goal threat at all. For me he looks one of the most natural predators I've ever seen, always looking and thinking about scoring. He didn't have a good season, but nobody did. The problem we had was our team wasn't functioning. Can't understand why we would do anything other than just play him, support him and enjoy his goals. No one said he isn't a goal threat, but 8 league goals isn't a serious goal threat for a striker who's played the majority of our games. Its a shame he is our only real goal threat, he needs help (a striking partner) or he needs more goals, simple as that. Another season like that and we will be looking at another relegation battle. Again no one said we don't enjoy his goals, he still gets support both on here and in the stands while we don't pick him, (not being funny) but Im not really sure what the point of that last sentence is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 His 8 goals wouldn't have been such an issue if everyone else in our team, bar Cabaye from set pieces, wasn't utterly inept at sticking the ball in the back of the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 He had a poor season but the myth about him fucking up loads of chances is just irritating, it got to the point where every fruitless shot at goal was met with "Cisse man!" and it seems to have stuck 2 of the best forwards in the world probably fluffed more clear cut chances against each other in the 2nd leg of the Madrid/Dortmund semi-final than Cisse did in half of a season. EDIT: He should have scored a few more mind, I don't disagree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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