NG32 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Im not in your petty little argument...dont drag me into it. I was just f***ing about. Absolutely it's petty. Which is the point Ive been TRYING to make And you dragged yourself into it ! I made a cheeky quip and you bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What are you on about man? Well, no surprise you haven't a clue what the subjects are about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 By deeply divided I don't mean they're internally conflicted, I mean that half of them think he's a legend and half of them think he's a Nazi c***. But thats just fans views on ALL players isn't it ? Remember some of the attitudes to Shearer in his last couple of seasons on N/cle forums ? Some were furious that others adopted a "What have you done for me lately" approach to him - some even slagged him off when we went down, forgetting what he'd done for years. DiCanio at Sunderland has already roused more interest in an already white hot game against them up here.... The difference being that those people were mildly upset over Shearer's hand rarely used for celebrating a goal in a sport and this is about people being upset over Di Canio's hand being used as 'sieg heil' Colossal difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Putting a statement out about his politic beliefs etc today apparently. always a great sign for your managers first day in the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Im not in your petty little argument...dont drag me into it. I was just f***ing about. Absolutely it's petty. Which is the point Ive been TRYING to make And you dragged yourself into it ! I made a cheeky quip and you bit. Well, I see it the other way actually. But never mind. No big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Im not in your petty little argument...dont drag me into it. I was just f***ing about. Absolutely it's petty. Which is the point Ive been TRYING to make And you dragged yourself into it ! I made a cheeky quip and you bit. Well, I see it the other way actually. But never mind. No big deal. You took it the wrong way. You have jumped on your high horse and began lecturing other people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BlueStar Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Just because people tend to call parking wardens or whatever fascists it doesn't mean the dictionary definition becomes just someone who orders you about, man 'Well my neighbour's a Nazi but that could just mean he's very picky about spelling" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 By deeply divided I don't mean they're internally conflicted, I mean that half of them think he's a legend and half of them think he's a Nazi c***. But thats just fans views on ALL players isn't it ? Remember some of the attitudes to Shearer in his last couple of seasons on N/cle forums ? Some were furious that others adopted a "What have you done for me lately" approach to him - some even slagged him off when we went down, forgetting what he'd done for years. DiCanio at Sunderland has already roused more interest in an already white hot game against them up here.... The difference being that those people were mildly upset over Shearer's hand rarely used for celebrating a goal in a sport and this is about people being upset over Di Canio's hand being used as 'sieg heil' Colossal difference. I thought the salute pre dated the Nazi's though......an Italian facist thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is phil k trying to say that decaring yourself a fascist is technically not the same as declaring yourself a nazi or a rascist? 'cause if so he's technically correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The main reason (other than the fascism thing..) I have disliked di canio is that he is the scorer of the most overrated goal in premiership history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What are you on about man? Well, no surprise you haven't a clue what the subjects are about. I do, you've been shown to be wrong and you're just going for the petty angle. I have no interest in personal stuff. I just completely disagree with your views. You think we should be mocking Sunderland for having a fascist manager. I'm saying that that's an oxymoron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is phil k trying to say that decaring yourself a fascist is technically not the same as declaring yourself a nazi or a rascist? 'cause if so he's technically correct Correct, and what a can of worms that opens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 bit of a side note here but did anyone here do History at the Poly? If so, did you do Avram Taylor's module on Italian Fascism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is phil k trying to say that decaring yourself a fascist is technically not the same as declaring yourself a nazi or a rascist? 'cause if so he's technically correct I imagine it would be possible to be a fascist without being a racist. Certainly wouldn't be easy though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 By deeply divided I don't mean they're internally conflicted, I mean that half of them think he's a legend and half of them think he's a Nazi c***. But thats just fans views on ALL players isn't it ? Remember some of the attitudes to Shearer in his last couple of seasons on N/cle forums ? Some were furious that others adopted a "What have you done for me lately" approach to him - some even slagged him off when we went down, forgetting what he'd done for years. DiCanio at Sunderland has already roused more interest in an already white hot game against them up here.... The difference being that those people were mildly upset over Shearer's hand rarely used for celebrating a goal in a sport and this is about people being upset over Di Canio's hand being used as 'sieg heil' Colossal difference. I thought the salute pre dated the Nazi's though......an Italian facist thing. Maybe so, but it's the whole connotation thing again, I think. The evolution of meaning and interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 is phil k trying to say that decaring yourself a fascist is technically not the same as declaring yourself a nazi or a rascist? 'cause if so he's technically correct I imagine it would be possible to be a fascist without being a racist. Certainly wouldn't be easy though. the origins of fascism were not based on race whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Putting a statement out about his politic beliefs etc today apparently. Doesn't he have Il Duce tat on his back? Il Deuce. Is it not Dux? Which is Latin for The Leader (no definite article in Latin so the "the" is implied as Dux is nominative). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It depends if you think the fascist position on nationalism, global expansion and ethnic identity are racist or not, doesn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Woo this has took a turn into my complete ignorance. I'll get my coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It depends if you think the fascist position on nationalism, global expansion and ethnic identity are racist or not, doesn't it. what does? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Im not in your petty little argument...dont drag me into it. I was just f***ing about. Absolutely it's petty. Which is the point Ive been TRYING to make And you dragged yourself into it ! I made a cheeky quip and you bit. Well, I see it the other way actually. But never mind. No big deal. You took it the wrong way. You have jumped on your high horse and began lecturing other people. Lecturing ? Hardly. And what happened to "Not getting involved with...blah blah blah" ? I said I couldn't understand the OTT response, and said we should take the p*ss, not get on high horses over his political views You're not Icarus agreeing with himself are you ? (a common thing on some forums !!!) ;D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Putting a statement out about his politic beliefs etc today apparently. Doesn't he have Il Duce tat on his back? Il Deuce. Is it not Dux? Which is Latin for The Leader (no definite article in Latin so the "the" is implied as Dux is nominative). I was joking about our Deuce tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Putting a statement out about his politic beliefs etc today apparently. Doesn't he have Il Duce tat on his back? Il Deuce. Is it not Dux? Which is Latin for The Leader (no definite article in Latin so the "the" is implied as Dux is nominative). I was joking about our Deuce tbh. missed that but that tat is the Latin not the Italian iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It depends if you think the fascist position on nationalism, global expansion and ethnic identity are racist or not, doesn't it. what does? If you equate fascism with racism. Of course there are lots of aspects of fascism that have nothing to do with race which people take issue with anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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