John P Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Arabs....even manage to make italians look respectible. What a moron you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Guy in Egypt talking to the Guardian Football Weekly podcast suggests it wasn't weapons that killed people, but crushes caused by the security blocking off the exits, causing a crush as thousands of people tried to get out through a couple of tiny exits. There was also a lot less security than normal, considering it's a very bitter rivalry that always ends in minor violence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 We have a lot more information now, from eyewitness testimony and videos, that helps us to understand why the casualty figures were so high. I'm going out in a few minutes (to a demonstration in Tahrir, naturally), so I'll be brief: The thugs were equipped with clubs suspiciously like the ones police are issued, which look like big sticks and are made of metal. They were sent across the pitch to the bleachers where the Ahly Ultras were seated, and police did nothing to stop them. As they ran, they shouted to the regular Port Said fans, "Come on!" so that the regular fans would provide them with cover. Once they reached the bleachers, they began beating the Ultras savagely. The Ultras tried to escape via the only exit from the bleachers where they were. This exit consisted of a staircase which went down towards a short hallway and then a door to outside the stadium. This door is never locked, because it serves as a fire exit. On this occasion, the fire door was locked. The Ultras found themselves facing the choice of either being beaten to death, or cramming themselves into the staircase. Those who stayed outside had their heads bashed in. Those already in the space were crushed by those trying to get in. Around one thousand of the Ultras were piled up on top of each other, some with only their hand or leg showing. Most of those who died were suffocated by the bodies on top. It was a horrible, sadistic way for them to be killed. The police stood by and watched. Eyewitnesses outside the stadium said that police guarded the locked fire exit from the outside, ignoring the screams for help. Reply With Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Henry Winter suggesting there should be a moment's silence this weekend to respect the victims of this. Thoughts? Winter weather killed over 100 people in Europe yesterday. It's a football related tragedy and I feel we should have a minutes silence at all weekend games. Winter weather related deaths is, while tragic, unrelated to football. No idea why you have brought it up. Its a political tragedy played on for convenience in a football arena, its nowt to do with football. Though if you want to get all scouse about it by all means, have a candle light vigil. They will feel your pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Football supporters being killed at a football match is everything to do with football regardless of any outside connotation. To say anything else would be callous. Frankly, I do not give a damn if people hold a meaningless of silence thousands of miles away in Newcastle, but it mad to say that this isn't a football event when people have gone with the intention of seeing a match and gone home in a bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Football supporters being killed at a football match is everything to do with football regardless of any outside connotation. To say anything else would be callous. Frankly, I do not give a damn if people hold a meaningless of silence thousands of miles away in Newcastle, but it mad to say that this isn't a football event when people have gone with the intention of seeing a match and gone home in a bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 That's an incredibly simple way to look at it. Football was merely the setting, the political turmoil there is astounding, any large gathering of people is going to create problems. This doesn't happen at any football match in a state that is not in as much chaos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 That's an incredibly simple way to look at it. Football was merely the setting, the political turmoil there is astounding, any large gathering of people is going to create problems. This doesn't happen at any football match in a state that is not in as much chaos. Why can't we acknowledge both i.e. that there were political undertones and the fact that many fans who went to the stadium to watch football just ended up not coming back to their families? Are these two mutually exclusive? That if we understand the political motivation, we somehow can't mourn the death of the football fans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Is anyone not mourning the deaths of football fans? I'm just trying to point out this situation shouldn't be blamed on football, as this would have happened anywhere if there was a large gathering of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Completely unrelated but... Love the sig Baba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Henry Winter suggesting there should be a moment's silence this weekend to respect the victims of this. Thoughts? Winter weather killed over 100 people in Europe yesterday. It's a football related tragedy and I feel we should have a minutes silence at all weekend games. Winter weather related deaths is, while tragic, unrelated to football. No idea why you have brought it up. Its a political tragedy played on for convenience in a football arena, its nowt to do with football. Though if you want to get all scouse about it by all means, have a candle light vigil. They will feel your pain. Football fans at football match die in football arena Yep, nowt to do with football http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/371/derp2u.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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