Beren Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The injuries we've suffered this season would have negatively impacted on any non-Man City/Chelsea side - they have been horrendous in fairness. We have regularly topped the Injury League table (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php) but they have not been so bad that we should be in relegation danger. This is Pardew having to lie in the bed he has made. He has had sufficient opportunity in his time here to instil a methodology, style and plan to our play. This has precisely FUCK ALL to do with second XI/squad quality. It's about a team identity, a team ethos. We don't have one, because Pardew bought into his own hype last season - where he lived off the individual excellence of HBA, Cisse and Ba. He did not adequately develop as a manager as hoped. This season, what ought to have happened is that when a player got injured, their replacement should have come in - they'd not be as good, but they'd understood the role they play in that team. Instead we face the situation (particularly yesterday) where we replaced eleven quality individuals who scraped results last season to hit fifth, with eleven fringe individuals. Players coming back may improve the situation, but whether they'll come back quick enough, with enough desire and belief is another thing. Especially with time ticking and the fixtures we have left. We need a great motivator and a good coach to steer us away from relegation now. Pardew remains, as he ever was, a PR man who has no sense of accountability. I'd be surprised if he was even able to identify problems beyond injuries and Europa fixtures. He's going 'all in' on our Premier League status being cured by returning players/signings - even though we struggled to pick up points prior to this 'injury crisis'. He has no capability to play any other hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Aye, manager who is a shit coach, rather it was the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'm probably not the first to say it but GOD i wish we had Laudrup. Plays nice football, massive reputation, capable of finding bargains. Generally mint. Swansea have 3 games in 6-9 days, and from the interview he's looking forward to it.. Makes a change. Pardew has made me into such a negative twat these last few months. Fucking hate him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'm probably not the first to say it but GOD i wish we had Laudrup. Plays nice football, massive reputation, capable of finding bargains. Generally mint. Swansea have 3 games in 6-9 days, and from the interview he's looking forward to it.. Makes a change. Pardew has made me into such a negative twat these last few months. Fucking hate him now. Aye, a manager who is always negative surely has a negative effect on his team. I love Nigel Adkins for his enthusiasm, Pardew is such a spewy knob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I posted that and hadn't read the other pages clearly people had already mentioned him lol But yeah completely agree. I cant stand him anymore and I feel bad for it but I hate watching him on TV or any interviews. He's lost the plot. I HATE the football we play, I cant even criticise teams like Stoke anymore. We are far worse. I'd get Laudrup in a heartbeat. would be a huge upgrade imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Come over and i'll pitch you up a tent, you will turn, you will turn. You will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He can blame injuries but the team spirit has evaporated and he's become tactically conservative to the point of potentially dooming the club Yeah it's completely gone, so much so that we showed absolutely no spirit or fight at either old trafford or the emirates. Have a word No coincidense that Marv came in for an injured Jonas (everyone could see that should've happened months ago, except Pardew) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I think that was kind of the point he was making - the manager can say "look Danny and Mike, I want us to play incisive passing football so when you get the ball can you please pass it first time in a precise manner to a nearby player wearing the same colour shirt" If Danny and Mike prove incapable of doing this, what is your next choice? If a player doesn't do what he's told you don't play them and if it wasn't down to the manager, why did Ben Arfa, Ba and Cabaye who regularly attend training think it was down to the manager? Who do you play there instead ? Is it Pardews fault we have no one to play instead of Williamson, we have tried Perch, Raylor, Tavernier and Simpson there, none of them have made any improvement. Your reply would be valid if Pardew persisted with these players whilst keeping Debuchy and Taylor on the bench and lets be honest Taylor is still not the answer. Do you have any idea how Poyet managed to get Brighton playing passing football despite having footballers who are Championship standard? They're a highly inconsistent championship side, and have been for the duration of Poyet's tenure - I think you're barking up the wrong tree with him. I agree we need a manager with the attributes you've quoted, but you've based your opinion on two games against us as opposed to his managerial record in full. I have to agree with Mick's earlier post, think that really hit the nail on the head re our predicament. I'm quickly reaching breaking point, and have completely lost any enthusiasm for this season. The QPR game was one of the worst matches I've ever been to, and that's been followed by one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever witnessed yesterday. Also, the inevitably of the Everton loss was so galling its untrue - I really don't think Pardew has an idea what he's doing. Look at the majority of managers of teams in the bottom half. Most of them have players who wouldn't get into our teams, yet they are able to perform in the premier league due to an understanding of the system and philosophy that their manager is employing. They seem to have a style fundamentally understood, and players know what they are doing. The majority of footballers are simple beasts and are able to play to their maximum if they understand what is being asked of them. Look at Wigan, most of their players are individually poor and wouldn't get anywhere near our team. However, they all seem to understand what they're doing and play some terrific football at times. Imagine what somebody like Martinez could do with our team? Similarly look at West Ham, Norwich and Fulham - they just look better organised than we do and appear to have a system that all of the players understand. Our lot look like they've never met each other before and that's the fault of the coaching staff. The injury excuse is bollocks for me, because they've looked like that for the duration of pardew's stewardship with the exception of 6/7 games from the end of last season. Ideally I'd want to replace him, but I share everyone's concerns about the club's ability to replace him with anyone other than some cunt like Kinnear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Definitely been saying that, in this set up a head coach makes so much more sense. On top of that a head coach would want to join because the hazards of working under Ashley and Llambias are nowhere near as bad because you wouldn't have much say in transfers and that's how they work across Europe anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Definitely been saying that, in this set up a head coach makes so much more sense. On top of that a head coach would want to join because the hazards of working under Ashley and Llambias are nowhere near as bad because you wouldn't have much say in transfers and that's how they work across Europe anyway. As far as i can tell Pardew has some say in the targets, Carr scouts players and sees some he likes, makes a list and gives it to Pardew, then Pardew selects who he likes from that list. The bit that falls down is the board trying to sign the players after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? For that we'd need someone with good football knowledge to make the call. I'd be all for it if we did but without it we could easily end up with a Ramos situation at Spurs. That's my only concern with going abroad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 get remy and we have the players to play football like swansea....actually we already do. its just pardew thats the problem....has to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Definitely been saying that, in this set up a head coach makes so much more sense. On top of that a head coach would want to join because the hazards of working under Ashley and Llambias are nowhere near as bad because you wouldn't have much say in transfers and that's how they work across Europe anyway. As far as i can tell Pardew has some say in the targets, Carr scouts players and sees some he likes, makes a list and gives it to Pardew, then Pardew selects who he likes from that list. The bit that falls down is the board trying to sign the players after that. Get a sporting director and a head coach and be done with it Best of both worlds, have a coach who knows what he's doing and we are still bringing in quality players for that coach to get the most out of. Just to use an example i despair at the moment knowing full well what someone like Laudrup would do with these players. How we struggle to even get a point well to say it's a joke is the biggest understatement of all time tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Laudrup is the one, or Martinez (cant see this as Dave Whelan hates Ashley). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I am by no means in the Pardew Out camp, but I was wondering this morning who we would go for if he is peddled? Given the system under which we expect a manager to operate surely the best option would be a foreign 'head coach' who is used to this sort of set up? Definitely been saying that, in this set up a head coach makes so much more sense. On top of that a head coach would want to join because the hazards of working under Ashley and Llambias are nowhere near as bad because you wouldn't have much say in transfers and that's how they work across Europe anyway. As far as i can tell Pardew has some say in the targets, Carr scouts players and sees some he likes, makes a list and gives it to Pardew, then Pardew selects who he likes from that list. The bit that falls down is the board trying to sign the players after that. Get a sporting director and a head coach and be done with it Best of both words, have a coach who knows what he's doing and we are still bringing in quality players for that coach to get the most out of. Just to use an example i despair at the moment knowing full well what someone like Laudrup would do with these players. How we struggle to even get a point well to say it's a joke is the biggest understatement of all time tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I was reading an interview with Martinez and i don't think he'll leave Wigan tbh unless he's sacked. He played there and now seems to really love it there and is big friends with Whelan. I think he'll go the way of Moyes if he keeps them in the premier league at least, maybe leave eventually but not soon. Would love him though here. Obviously managers lie a lot but i dunno he seems too nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 If Mike and Des weren't so inconsistent there would be loads of managers after the job tbh. There's far more positives than negatives at the moment, though Pardew is trying his hardest to create more negatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 If Mike and Des weren't so inconsistent there would be loads of managers after the job tbh. There's far more positives than negatives at the moment, though Pardew is trying his hardest to create more negatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Laudrup is the one, or Martinez (cant see this as Dave Whelan hates Ashley). Or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Respected. Knows football at the top level. Has served an apprenticeship. Would be cheaper to recruit than the other two. However, as has been mentioned, having to work under Dekka and Ash is a massive problem. Oh, by the way, I still hate OGS for his assault on Robert Lee that day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 .............though Pardew is trying his hardest to create more negatives. Well thats ONE thing he's succeeding at - nothing else, "creating negatives" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 On a general note can I just say how much I'm enjoying reading this thread - lots of diverse views but for the most part constructive suggestions and very little in the way of personal attacks (on each other I mean, Pardew is of course taking a bit of a kicking!) I've been on very few forums that manage to remain so civilised on such emotive subjects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Laudrup is the one, or Martinez (cant see this as Dave Whelan hates Ashley). Or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Respected. Knows football at the top level. Has served an apprenticeship. Would be cheaper to recruit than the other two. However, as has been mentioned, having to work under Dekka and Ash is a massive problem. Oh, by the way, I still hate OGS for his assault on Robert Lee that day. What has he done at managerial level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Pardew has been the same his whole career as a manager. Blags it one or two seasons and then gets found out. No depth all gloss. The realistic ans to this situation is add some quality to the coaching staff and keep Pards on as that bloke who sits at the front of the coach in charge of the tapedeck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Laudrup is the one, or Martinez (cant see this as Dave Whelan hates Ashley). Or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Respected. Knows football at the top level. Has served an apprenticeship. Would be cheaper to recruit than the other two. However, as has been mentioned, having to work under Dekka and Ash is a massive problem. Oh, by the way, I still hate OGS for his assault on Robert Lee that day. What has he done at managerial level? Back-to-back league titles with Molde. Yes, it's 'only' Molde and it's 'only' Norwegian football, but success is success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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