AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Can't really agree with that. We're in danger of going down with four games of the season to go. Bird's defence of Pardew is so weak it's laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Even crazier when these people can list a number of reasons he should be sacked in their own article that's supposed to be a defence of him. At least I assume Simon Bird was trying to defend him - It could just be a parody. The world isn't Pardew defenders and Pardew haters FFS, he is pointing out things he has done wrong. Admitting he has done things wrong is part of a reasonable assessment of the situation, he obviously has. Jesus He does nothing but list things Pardew has done wrong and even makes our coaching staff out to be a bit thick with the set piece analysis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Can't really agree with that. We're in danger of going down with four games of the season to go. Bird's defence of Pardew is so weak it's laughable. Aye, obviously if last season hadn't happened there would be very little to stop Pardew getting sacked. I would never argue with that. As for Bird's article, he doesn't mount a 'defence', I don't know why people are obsessed with that term. He's just saying that he doesn't think, on balance, that it would be right to sack Pardew now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. He also had a vastly inferior squad though. Pardew finished 5th with what was pretty much the 7th best squad in the league, Chelsea and Liverpool arguably the only squads that were better than ours but of course those poor sods had those nasty European competitions to worry about as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Even crazier when these people can list a number of reasons he should be sacked in their own article that's supposed to be a defence of him. At least I assume Simon Bird was trying to defend him - It could just be a parody. The world isn't Pardew defenders and Pardew haters FFS, he is pointing out things he has done wrong. Admitting he has done things wrong is part of a reasonable assessment of the situation, he obviously has. Eh? That part was him trying to back Pardew. That it came across as criticism just emphasises how bad he is - the best thing anyone can say about him is that he attempted to correct some of his own horrendous errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Even crazier when these people can list a number of reasons he should be sacked in their own article that's supposed to be a defence of him. At least I assume Simon Bird was trying to defend him - It could just be a parody. The world isn't Pardew defenders and Pardew haters FFS, he is pointing out things he has done wrong. Admitting he has done things wrong is part of a reasonable assessment of the situation, he obviously has. Eh? That part was him trying to back Pardew. That it came across as criticism just emphasises how bad he is - the best thing anyone can say about him is that he attempted to correct some of his own horrendous errors. aye. He finished 5th last year too, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. He also had a vastly inferior squad though. Pardew finished 5th with what was pretty much the 7th best squad in the league, Chelsea and Liverpool arguably the only squads that were better than hours but of course those poor sods had those nasty European competitions to worry about as well. OK, but the point is that Pardew had demonstrated something in getting the team to finish 5th. Whether it was a top 7 squad or a top 10 squad or a top 6 squad I've no idea really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. Can't really agree with that. We're in danger of going down with four games of the season to go. Bird's defence of Pardew is so weak it's laughable. Aye, obviously if last season hadn't happened there would be very little to stop Pardew getting sacked. I would never argue with that. As for Bird's article, he doesn't mount a 'defence', I don't know why people are obsessed with that term. He's just saying that he doesn't think, on balance, that it would be right to sack Pardew now. Knee jerks: Why Newcastle fans are so wrong to call for Alan Pardew's head Um, seems like a fairly strong standpoint of defence to me. Its not at all balanced as he's belittled anyone who wants him sacked in the opening line FFS Righto, we've kind of gone down an irrelevant track now. He's saying he doesn't believe Pardew should be sacked right now, therefore the fans must be wrong (in his opinion). As I said I dislike the term 'defence' as that seems to imply some sort of vested interest or cause to get behind. It's just his opinion at the moment that calling for his sacking is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. He also had a vastly inferior squad though. Pardew finished 5th with what was pretty much the 7th best squad in the league, Chelsea and Liverpool arguably the only squads that were better than hours but of course those poor sods had those nasty European competitions to worry about as well. OK, but the point is that Pardew had demonstrated something in getting the team to finish 5th. Whether it was a top 7 squad or a top 10 squad or a top 6 squad I've no idea really. I just assumed that the people on the outside that you were talking about were competent enough to look at things with basic logic, and not just "manager finish 5th, manger must never get sack". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Maybe you're right, all I would say is that we get caught up in the emotion and the shorter-term than outside observers. Case in point, this forum degenerating so badly after the derby game. It's not right or wrong necessarily, I just wanted to discuss how it can look to outsiders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. He also had a vastly inferior squad though. Pardew finished 5th with what was pretty much the 7th best squad in the league, Chelsea and Liverpool arguably the only squads that were better than hours but of course those poor sods had those nasty European competitions to worry about as well. OK, but the point is that Pardew had demonstrated something in getting the team to finish 5th. Whether it was a top 7 squad or a top 10 squad or a top 6 squad I've no idea really. I just assumed that the people on the outside that you were talking about were competent enough to look at things with basic logic, and not just "manager finish 5th, manger must never get sack". Well aye, I'm not saying only the league position would be used. But it's also fair to assume that it's quite difficult/rare to fluke your way to 5th in the premier league, so therefore some correct decisions must have been made along the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Other than the first sentence Bird has made some very good points.. that set-pieces paragraph is nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Maybe you're right, all I would say is that we get caught up in the emotion and the shorter-term than outside observers. Case in point, this forum degenerating so badly after the derby game. It's not right or wrong necessarily, I just wanted to discuss how it can look to outsiders. How did it degenerate? Just because people insulted "Pards"? FFS. Not being funny, I've got no doubt whatsoever that you'd back him all the way down the divisions Ian. You won't call for his head if and when he relegates us, guaranteed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ian W, bless you, I love the way you try to put your pro Pardew view across while trying your hardest to make it look like you are sitting on the fence about it. You have your views and that is fine with me, I just like the way you try to brush it off as you are not bothered either way while trying to defend him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ian W on stunning form today. Can't wait till Interpolic gets his gegs on and has a look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Maybe you're right, all I would say is that we get caught up in the emotion and the shorter-term than outside observers. Case in point, this forum degenerating so badly after the derby game. It's not right or wrong necessarily, I just wanted to discuss how it can look to outsiders. How did it degenerate? Just because people insulted "Pards"? FFS. Not being funny, I've got no doubt whatsoever that you'd back him all the way down the divisions Ian. You won't call for his head if and when he relegates us, guaranteed. You must know the standard of chat was absolutely appalling for days. It's understandable, but it's definitely true. Nothing to do with your position on Pardew. I don't know why you pop up so often to criticise me for things I might say in future, it's total nonsense and I don't understand what you get out of it. Have you ignored all the 'if we stay up' in my posts, and all the times I've said I wouldn't shed a tear if he was sacked? The only case I'm making is that I would give him another chance if we stay up. If you can't debate it just ignore me, but it would be great if you would stop putting words in my mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 If the club employ new coaches to train the team to play to their strengths, i have to be honest, i wouldn't be against the idea of seeing him into next season. If it's the same lot as this season, then i would think it's time for a change. It's ok making mistakes and then saying he's learning by them but then he makes lots of other mistakes. Enough for me to really wonder why he can't see most of them coming. We need someone who can anticipate future events and act accordingly not just someone who can analyse the past. There's a BIG difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ian W on stunning form today. Can't wait till Interpolic gets his gegs on and has a look http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r8scwRvS1qb0jjw.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Maybe you're right, all I would say is that we get caught up in the emotion and the shorter-term than outside observers. Case in point, this forum degenerating so badly after the derby game. It's not right or wrong necessarily, I just wanted to discuss how it can look to outsiders. Of course. It's our club, our passion. Not necessarily for worse though. 3-0 battering against our main rivals (in every aspect atm), leaving us in a relegation battle. It would be weird if people didn't react harshly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. Most of us were sick when Sunderland sacked MON and the bloke was having a better season than Pardew. Fair point, in that individual case. On the other hand, O'Neill hadn't been manager of the year the previous season and finished 5th. He also had a vastly inferior squad though. Pardew finished 5th with what was pretty much the 7th best squad in the league, Chelsea and Liverpool arguably the only squads that were better than hours but of course those poor sods had those nasty European competitions to worry about as well. OK, but the point is that Pardew had demonstrated something in getting the team to finish 5th. Whether it was a top 7 squad or a top 10 squad or a top 6 squad I've no idea really. I just assumed that the people on the outside that you were talking about were competent enough to look at things with basic logic, and not just "manager finish 5th, manger must never get sack". Well aye, I'm not saying only the league position would be used. But it's also fair to assume that it's quite difficult/rare to fluke your way to 5th in the premier league, so therefore some correct decisions must have been made along the way. Didn't Allardyce finish 6th twice? I wouldn't claim it was a fluke but it is a) clearly not sustainable and b) absolutely not what I want to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ian W, bless you, I love the way you try to put your pro Pardew view across while trying your hardest to make it look like you are sitting on the fence about it. You have your views and that is fine with me, I just like the way you try to brush it off as you are not bothered either way while trying to defend him. I am pro-Pardew in that I think he has some good attributes and my opinion right now is that I wouldn't sack him for that reason and others not to do with him personally. That's not sitting on the fence, that's a position that it takes a bit of intelligence to understand. Better chat today anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From the outside it's understandable that people think calling for his sacking is crazy. In normal circumstances everyone would leap to the defence of a manager who was sacked for one bad season after one exceptional one. We would probably be doing the same if another club was in question. That doesn't mean people calling for his head are necessarily wrong, but I can see what it would look like. Ever the diplomat Whey it's true isn't it? Generally we would be slating Liverpool or Sunderland fans if they were after sacking a manager in this manner. We (and Bird) know about Pardew from the inside though. A sligthly random observation, Ian. It's not really random, the point is that sometimes fans can be too passionate about their own club and react extremely to things. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant to whether you think he should or shouldn't be sacked I suppose. I'd tend to lay more trust in a fan who knows what's actually going on, rather than a random bloke who just knows our positions in the table these last seasons. Maybe you're right, all I would say is that we get caught up in the emotion and the shorter-term than outside observers. Case in point, this forum degenerating so badly after the derby game. It's not right or wrong necessarily, I just wanted to discuss how it can look to outsiders. Of course. It's our club, our passion. Not necessarily for worse though. 3-0 battering against our main rivals (in every aspect atm), leaving us in a relegation battle. It would be weird if people didn't react harshly. Yep, I said that and I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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