Loïc Remy

[Unbelievable]

Same old debate every fucking transfer window. Wish Ashley would finally up sticks.

[Hughesy]

I love it when we start talking about accounts.  WHAT ABOUT PLAYER AMORTISATION?  SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE AMORTISATION!!!

[BottledDog]

Wullie is right about assets in an accounting sense.

 

We've been through it a million times before but it is clearly still is a bit of a head fuck. Does giving a non asset (like Wullie says Carroll was) a new long term contract make any difference?

 

Is he right that despite what the club accounts have shown, we are in fact, rolling in wonga?

 

 

[BottledDog]

I love it when we start talking about accounts.  WHAT ABOUT PLAYER AMORTISATION?  SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE AMORTISATION!!!

 

:lol:

 

Loic's losing us £2m a season plus wages. Get rid!

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I love it when we start talking about accounts.  WHAT ABOUT PLAYER AMORTISATION?  SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE AMORTISATION!!!

 

:lol:

 

Yeah, it is a funny one. Essentially debating something that nobody knows enough about to make a decision.

 

My belief has always been that as long as the club is making significant losses, and the debt is increasing, we are financially shafted. Unless someone shoulders the debt or the terms are very generous.

 

As to players as assets, I really don't have a clue how the accounting is done.

[Guest bimpy474]

I love it when we start talking about accounts.  WHAT ABOUT PLAYER AMORTISATION?  SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE AMORTISATION!!!

 

:lol:

 

Yeah, it is a funny one. Essentially debating something that nobody knows enough about to make a decision.

 

My belief has always been that as long as the club is making significant losses, and the debt is increasing, we are financially shafted. Unless someone shoulders the debt or the terms are very generous.

 

As to players as assets, I really don't have a clue how the accounting is done.

 

I was about to post something similar. Aren't we really talking about things we really know feck all about (the details i mean).

[Dave]

The finances bollocks comes up as a desperate final attempt to justify the lack of ambition and investment the club displays on a regular basis. No fan should need to give a flying fuck about it unless we're in serious danger of going under, which we're not.

[Guest neesy111]

The finances bollocks comes up as a desperate final attempt to justify the lack of ambition and investment the club displays on a regular basis. No fan should need to give a flying fuck about it unless we're in serious danger of going under, which we're not.

 

This.

 

The fact is smaller clubs with smaller attendances are spending more money than us.  Why is that?  It's because our twat of an owner penny pinches and is looking to take as much money out of the club while spending as little as possible.

[Guest icemanblue]

Because they need to?

[colinmk]

Not to mention he probably made the club significantly worse off by leading us to our relegation. Seems to be often forgotten.

[Unbelievable]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

[Guest neesy111]

Not to mention he probably made the club significantly worse off by leading us to our relegation. Seems to be often forgotten.

 

He's using the clubs money to pay for his own mistakes.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The finances bollocks comes up as a desperate final attempt to justify the lack of ambition and investment the club displays on a regular basis. No fan should need to give a flying f*** about it unless we're in serious danger of going under, which we're not.

 

go back to the Bobby Robson quote about the club. Nobody made Ashley buy us. Nobody said don't do due diligence or it won't be a good investment. But he can get to fuck if he thinks owning something that thousands of people are emotionally attached, and invested in does not bring with it a level of responsibility.

 

He may be the owner but its more akin to an invasion. We shouldn't toe his line just because he had the money to purchase our club.

 

I do agree with this to a certain extent, he has a responsibility to the club and the city. But how far that stretches in terms of practical things like player purchases is quite hard to say.

 

As for Dave's post, nobody will be surprised I disagree with that. I don't see how you can possibly analyse the club's position and the players we can or can't buy unless you have an interest in the financial side. Otherwise you'd just be clamouring for us to sign everyone and wondering why we aren't competing with Man City. It's just part of modern football sadly.

[Guest icemanblue]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have in invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

 

Because they don't have a squad of the same talent as ours? Because they overperformed last season? Because we underperformed last season? Because Pardew?

[BottledDog]

As to whether we are rolling in Money I don't know. We are just about breaking even. The TV money is guaranteed what will become of it is anyone's guess.

 

Cheers for both those replies. At the end of the day I think it comes down to how much money we made last season as to what we have to spend as Ashley has reiterated that he'd not be sticking any more in, and I can't imagine we'll be taking out loans in order to add in next years TV money into this windows budget.

 

Still I'd like to think we'll have maybe £15m allocated and that should get us the 2 more we need; though it does rather mean we can't be too soft and just throw another million at Gomis. If Loic has already taken £2m then that would only leave, what,say  £4m for a decent attacking winger which won't get us anywhere near someone like Tom Ince.

 

Fuck, hope the rumoured £20m is true.

[Guest]

The finances bollocks comes up as a desperate final attempt to justify the lack of ambition and investment the club displays on a regular basis. No fan should need to give a flying f*** about it unless we're in serious danger of going under, which we're not.

 

go back to the Bobby Robson quote about the club. Nobody made Ashley buy us. Nobody said don't do due diligence or it won't be a good investment. But he can get to f*** if he thinks owning something that thousands of people are emotionally attached, and invested in does not bring with it a level of responsibility.

 

He may be the owner but its more akin to an invasion. We shouldn't toe his line just because he had the money to purchase our club.

 

That first line always does my head in. Can only imagine what the alternative to Ashley buying Shepherd & Hall out of the shite would have been, but I'd imagine things would be far worse than they are now. That's not sticking up for Ashley because he should still be doing more.

[BottledDog]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

 

Because the policy now is to only spend what we generate?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The finances bollocks comes up as a desperate final attempt to justify the lack of ambition and investment the club displays on a regular basis. No fan should need to give a flying f*** about it unless we're in serious danger of going under, which we're not.

 

go back to the Bobby Robson quote about the club. Nobody made Ashley buy us. Nobody said don't do due diligence or it won't be a good investment. But he can get to f*** if he thinks owning something that thousands of people are emotionally attached, and invested in does not bring with it a level of responsibility.

 

He may be the owner but its more akin to an invasion. We shouldn't toe his line just because he had the money to purchase our club.

 

I do agree with this to a certain extent, he has a responsibility to the club and the city. But how far that stretches in terms of practical things like player purchases is quite hard to say.

 

As for Dave's post, nobody will be surprised I disagree with that. I don't see how you can possibly analyse the club's position and the players we can or can't buy unless you have an interest in the financial side. Otherwise you'd just be clamouring for us to sign everyone and wondering why we aren't competing with Man City. It's just part of modern football sadly.

 

Never mind on a practical level. We as fans have got every right to be angry about it. You're equating money to ambition in your reading of Dave's post. Dave is saying finance is used as a defence to our lack of ambition. We could be a lot more ambitious without spending a kings ransom. 

 

Well in that case I agree, we should be ambitious. But in practical terms doesn't that depend on how much we can afford to spend? Arguably we do come down on the stingy side of sensible, but that's another discussion about money.

[Deuce]

Wenger's the man. Has his crown jewels asset-stripped on a bi-annual basis, doesn't get/to spend jack, and still leapfrogs Spurs in April and into the CL every year

Every. Single. Year.

 

Spurs have had the better players for at least the last two seasons. At least the season before last RVP was the best player between them and maybe even the league. But last season, Bale was the RVP figure and Arsenal still finished above them.

 

Dunno about that. Bale was definitely cream of the crop, but Cazorla, Podolski, and Walcott (and maybe Giroud) would all have started for Spurs last season. And Arsenal's defense down the stretch was airtight.

[Dr Venkman]

If Liverpool committed such a cardinal financial sin, how come they haven't gone out of business? How come they're still spending and spending? The Premier League clubs are swimming in money, some people haven't quite grasped this. They can afford to spend big money with very little consequence.

 

Ian, funny how you agreed with TT saying that spending doesn't bring success, yet also claim we can't compete with Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, because they've got more money than we have. It's one or the other, you can't have both.

 

If we don't trust Graham Carr's choices enough to spend the asking price, why is he employed?

 

Liverpool bring in a lot more money than us, they can afford to make mistakes to a point. Big mistakes like they've made won't put them out of business but they have pushed them further away from the CL and certainly any title ambitions. Had they spent that money wisely they'd be much better off. We can't not with our owner. Any mistake we make we are saddled with until the end of his contract, see Xisco or Smith, and since we nearly went down, any big mistake could cost us dearly.

 

We are over cautious and it is frustrating but i was more frustrated at seeing Smith pick up £60kpw for doing nowt or even worse on the pitch being a liability.

 

 

End of the day we all want us to sign more players, we all want a better team but spending money doesn't automatically equal better results and mistakes made we are lumbered with while spending over the top means we can't or simply won't spend next time round. You've got to consider this before saying oh aye, just chuck and extra couple of million at Gomis to make it happen...its nonsense even without our tight arse owner.

 

 

 

 

Why is it nonsense? Nonsense is relying on Shola, again. We need some better footballers man, we need to pay clubs money for them and we need to pay them wages. We've got money, what's wrong with you people?

[Unbelievable]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have in invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

 

Because they don't have a squad of the same talent as ours? Because they overperformed last season? Because we underperformed last season? Because Pardew?

 

Pardew is here though. We could have invested in a replacement for him if we felt he was what was holding us back, but chose not to. This is not just about the players, it's about having just come off a season where we survived by the skin of our teeth, coming out with noises about lessons learned and yet going into the new season with near enough the same setup. It's indefensible.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Pardew is our Manager Kinnear is our Director of Football. I think we have the money available to make better appointments than this.

 

You won't get any disagreement from me on that.

[Unbelievable]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

 

Because the policy now is to only spend what we generate?

 

Does that make it acceptable, because it's our policy?

[Guest neesy111]

Because they need to?

 

Plenty of clubs that finished above us have invested significantly. If they needed to, why don't we?

 

Because the policy now is to only spend what we generate?

 

Does that make it acceptable, because it's our policy?

 

We're not spending what we generate because of the money Ashley has taken out recently.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

And this is arguably in the wrong thread but since we are focusing on Ashley etc

 

We paid to cancel Nile Ranger's contract, we paid to cancel Xisco's contract. If we had an owner who paid a bit more attention (gave a s***) and appointed better people maybe this sort of s**** would'nt happen. Maybe then we could grease the wheels with Gomis.

 

And not be an injury away from Gutierrez/Ameobi

 

The expertise point is definitely valid, Kinnear and (to a lesser extent) Pardew are bad appointments.

 

Saying that, I'm not sure the point about finance is that good, because if we speculated in the market more we might end up with more players on long contracts that we can't get rid of.