Guest firetotheworks Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If you took Ian/Inochi/Brett away from the forum then I'd pay £20 a year to frequent it. I've found myself agreeing with them on a lot of things at different times about players tbf, but on this manager I'm a million miles away. It's one thing to remain positive and look at all angles, but sometimes you just have to take a longer term view and think about how you can make progress as a football team on the pitch, since there's not a lot we can do about what goes on off it. No hard feelings on that score. Would I swap Pardew for a better manager? Obviously I would, that goes without saying really. I'm just inclined to support him while he's here and I think we've kind of talked ourselves into a paranoid delusion that he's Satan or something. He's also suffered from being involved with a regime that everyone hates. A lot of the stuff he says/does is absolutely standard managerial waffle or fans having a different opinion to the pros type stuff IMO. Anyway, it's a Tuesday night, all is good in the world. I've just watched the games he's managed, and think he's s***. Can we just move on please? A small amount of us don't want to go over the same things again. Posters on here know where pretty much everyone stands, so don't know why it keeps going around in circles. Nobody actually thinks Pardew's a very good manager or is the man to take us to the next level. It's just the levels of tolerance for Pardew in which people differ. Couldn't agree more. Everyone on here knows exactly what every single other person on here thinks about Pardew, so for that reason I want every person on here just stop talking about it. We get it...Pardew isn't very good!....but is he? I say "maybe" I thought you didn't want us to talk about it? I don't....but do I? How else would I have the opportunity to tell people what to talk about? I wouldn't...but would I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Howay lads, keep up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Nevermind transfers, I wish Ashley would sack this guy and pay the going rate for somebody decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Nevermind transfers, I wish Ashley would sack this guy and pay the going rate for somebody decent. *sigh* Ugh. Are you saying that you want Kinnear? Because a few of us have discussed this and decided that that is definitely the only alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Nevermind transfers, I wish Ashley would sack this guy and pay the going rate for somebody decent. *sigh* Ugh. Are you saying that you want Kinnear? Because a few of us have discussed this and decided that that is definitely the only alternative. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 This thread is eating itself. People are completely entitled to their opinion on Pardew but can we move on from all the personal sniping and bickering, it's getting tedious. We're all fans of the football club, let's try and be civil to one another at least. If anyone simply can't stomach the posts of anyone else, please use the ignore function. That's what it's there for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Nevermind transfers, I wish Ashley would sack this guy and pay the going rate for somebody decent. *sigh* Ugh. Are you saying that you want Kinnear? Because a few of us have discussed this and decided that that is definitely the only alternative. Good post. Ironic post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 This thread is eating itself. People are completely entitled to their opinion on Pardew but can we move on from all the personal sniping and bickering, it's getting tedious. We're all fans of the football club, let's try and be civil to one another at least. If anyone simply can't stomach the posts of anyone else, please use the ignore function. That's what it's there for. It was alright for a while, seems to have gone backwards a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on. Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us. In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa. there was like, personally I'd have brought colo on and tried to push the full backs on 10yds or so especially as they caught santon loads with the ball played inside him. really can't see any reason FOR bringing ben arfa on last weekend. When you have a team pushing forwards and leaving lots of space to exploit behind, I would think a player like ben Arfa would certainly be worth considering as part of the mix. they didn't really leave a load of space for a ben arfa type player to exploit, that would call for movement and someone to work along the line or at least someone to work off the ball. not ben arfas strong points If a team is pressing forward for an equaliser there is always space behind to exploit. Why would you need someone to work along the line to do that? You just put someone with some pace and ability to run at a stretched back four and an eye for goal. Get one of the other 11 to cover the lines. because if you just keep lobbing the ball over in the hope that that player will get to it first it will more often than not come straight back at you, far better try and play it for possession and in that scenario ben arfa isn't what you need. Why do you need to lob it in the first place? I can remember when we last finished in a CL place one of our best outlets was Solano who used to pick the ball up from deep defensive positions then thread the ball through to Dyer who broke forward at pace in loads of space to exploit against the opposition who were pressing forward. dyers (and solanos) movement was far superior to ben arfas, more of it and much more intelligent. ball at their feet, good as they were ben afa would murder them but doing the basics to get the ball in that situation I just don't think he'd be good enough at it. oh aye, and usually that was when we were chasing the game rather than the oppo chasing the game. at that time I was quite happy going in to the last 15 level or trailing by one as we had the legs to do anyone, as a team we don't now. The reason I mentioned Solano is because without someone who could keep his head and play the ball out from defensive positions, Dyer would have looked pretty much a passenger as well. That's where the problem lies, we don't do that strategically, because as has been mentioned by mrmojorisin, we aren't coached that way. Our set up is still most effective when we hit the ball long from the back, and in that scenario HBA isn't going to look good, and you can understand why Pardew prefers Obertan. i fear you are massively over simplifying things, we had a team who were comfortable on the ball and had numerous "get outs", as much as I like cabaye,anita and tiote has recovered some form, neither are what you'd call an escape ball which means the escapee has to do more than what ben arfa gives off the ball. also as I've said dyer gave himself better options to be passed to because of his pace and movement, ben arfa doesn't come alive UNTIL he has the ball which is too late in this situation. got to totally disagree with the idea that we are most effective when hitting long balls from the back, we've been at our best this season when dominating games and then being organised when out of possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If someone could just put up what's allowed in the way of discussion, that would be nice. Even better would a multiple choice thingy saving me the bother of typing too much. Example : That Pardew eh ? Answers : 1. He's shit 2. Bang average 3. Cunt 4. Sexy Cunt 5. Hater 6. Fuck you and don't post you cunt 7 Leave my Dad alone That sort of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ikon Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Proper done there by Dave, never saw it coming. Fair cop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I agree that we should be able to talk about whatever anyone wants to. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/7/13/1279027004021/Julian-Assange-007.jpg Except when I don't want you to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on. Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us. In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa. there was like, personally I'd have brought colo on and tried to push the full backs on 10yds or so especially as they caught santon loads with the ball played inside him. really can't see any reason FOR bringing ben arfa on last weekend. When you have a team pushing forwards and leaving lots of space to exploit behind, I would think a player like ben Arfa would certainly be worth considering as part of the mix. they didn't really leave a load of space for a ben arfa type player to exploit, that would call for movement and someone to work along the line or at least someone to work off the ball. not ben arfas strong points If a team is pressing forward for an equaliser there is always space behind to exploit. Why would you need someone to work along the line to do that? You just put someone with some pace and ability to run at a stretched back four and an eye for goal. Get one of the other 11 to cover the lines. because if you just keep lobbing the ball over in the hope that that player will get to it first it will more often than not come straight back at you, far better try and play it for possession and in that scenario ben arfa isn't what you need. Why do you need to lob it in the first place? I can remember when we last finished in a CL place one of our best outlets was Solano who used to pick the ball up from deep defensive positions then thread the ball through to Dyer who broke forward at pace in loads of space to exploit against the opposition who were pressing forward. dyers (and solanos) movement was far superior to ben arfas, more of it and much more intelligent. ball at their feet, good as they were ben afa would murder them but doing the basics to get the ball in that situation I just don't think he'd be good enough at it. oh aye, and usually that was when we were chasing the game rather than the oppo chasing the game. at that time I was quite happy going in to the last 15 level or trailing by one as we had the legs to do anyone, as a team we don't now. The reason I mentioned Solano is because without someone who could keep his head and play the ball out from defensive positions, Dyer would have looked pretty much a passenger as well. That's where the problem lies, we don't do that strategically, because as has been mentioned by mrmojorisin, we aren't coached that way. Our set up is still most effective when we hit the ball long from the back, and in that scenario HBA isn't going to look good, and you can understand why Pardew prefers Obertan. i fear you are massively over simplifying things, we had a team who were comfortable on the ball and had numerous "get outs", as much as I like cabaye,anita and tiote has recovered some form, neither are what you'd call an escape ball which means the escapee has to do more than what ben arfa gives off the ball. also as I've said dyer gave himself better options to be passed to because of his pace and movement, ben arfa doesn't come alive UNTIL he has the ball which is too late in this situation. got to totally disagree with the idea that we are most effective when hitting long balls from the back, we've been at our best this season when dominating games and then being organised when out of possession. HBA has got his faults which I've brought up myself, namely holds the ball too long and doesn't track back very enthusiastically, but I wouldn't put lack of movement off the ball down as a weakness. He's one of the few who regularly shows for the ball, the problem is he doesn't give it back once he's got it. But on the break against a team pressing up the pitch I haven't noticed him being any less keen to get behind the defence than Obertan. I'm sure he'd far prefer to run at tiring defences when the games opened up than go up against two defenders as is usually the case when he starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Kid Icarus. Uncanny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Shola Ameobi and Obertan getting minutes over HBA? Come on. Especially when the logic doesn't make sense. Obertan was brought on over HBA to help protect the left side and it actually ended up weakening us. In that instance, there was literally no excuse for not bringing on Ben Arfa. there was like, personally I'd have brought colo on and tried to push the full backs on 10yds or so especially as they caught santon loads with the ball played inside him. really can't see any reason FOR bringing ben arfa on last weekend. When you have a team pushing forwards and leaving lots of space to exploit behind, I would think a player like ben Arfa would certainly be worth considering as part of the mix. they didn't really leave a load of space for a ben arfa type player to exploit, that would call for movement and someone to work along the line or at least someone to work off the ball. not ben arfas strong points If a team is pressing forward for an equaliser there is always space behind to exploit. Why would you need someone to work along the line to do that? You just put someone with some pace and ability to run at a stretched back four and an eye for goal. Get one of the other 11 to cover the lines. because if you just keep lobbing the ball over in the hope that that player will get to it first it will more often than not come straight back at you, far better try and play it for possession and in that scenario ben arfa isn't what you need. Why do you need to lob it in the first place? I can remember when we last finished in a CL place one of our best outlets was Solano who used to pick the ball up from deep defensive positions then thread the ball through to Dyer who broke forward at pace in loads of space to exploit against the opposition who were pressing forward. dyers (and solanos) movement was far superior to ben arfas, more of it and much more intelligent. ball at their feet, good as they were ben afa would murder them but doing the basics to get the ball in that situation I just don't think he'd be good enough at it. oh aye, and usually that was when we were chasing the game rather than the oppo chasing the game. at that time I was quite happy going in to the last 15 level or trailing by one as we had the legs to do anyone, as a team we don't now. The reason I mentioned Solano is because without someone who could keep his head and play the ball out from defensive positions, Dyer would have looked pretty much a passenger as well. That's where the problem lies, we don't do that strategically, because as has been mentioned by mrmojorisin, we aren't coached that way. Our set up is still most effective when we hit the ball long from the back, and in that scenario HBA isn't going to look good, and you can understand why Pardew prefers Obertan. i fear you are massively over simplifying things, we had a team who were comfortable on the ball and had numerous "get outs", as much as I like cabaye,anita and tiote has recovered some form, neither are what you'd call an escape ball which means the escapee has to do more than what ben arfa gives off the ball. also as I've said dyer gave himself better options to be passed to because of his pace and movement, ben arfa doesn't come alive UNTIL he has the ball which is too late in this situation. got to totally disagree with the idea that we are most effective when hitting long balls from the back, we've been at our best this season when dominating games and then being organised when out of possession. HBA has got his faults which I've brought up myself, namely holds the ball too long and doesn't track back very enthusiastically, but I wouldn't put lack of movement off the ball down as a weakness. He's one of the few who regularly shows for the ball, the problem is he doesn't give it back once he's got it. But on the break against a team pressing up the pitch I haven't noticed him being any less keen to get behind the defence than Obertan. I'm sure he'd far prefer to run at tiring defences when the games opened up than go up against two defenders as is usually the case when he starts. I don't think Ben Arfa holding onto the ball too long can entirely be blamed on him, if anything its the lack off movement off the ball from other players which often prevents him from releasing it. Put him back on the right and give him Remy or Gouffran to feed into in the centre and I think you'd see a different game from him. That is presuming he isn't told to keep the ball and show us a bit of "magic" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If someone could just put up what's allowed in the way of discussion, that would be nice. Even better would a multiple choice thingy saving me the bother of typing too much. Example : That Pardew eh ? Answers : 1. He's s*** 2. Bang average 3. c*** 4. Sexy c*** 5. Hater 6. f*** and don't post you c*** 7 Leave my Dad alone That sort of thing. I'm a 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If someone could just put up what's allowed in the way of discussion, that would be nice. Even better would a multiple choice thingy saving me the bother of typing too much. Example : That Pardew eh ? Answers : 1. He's s*** 2. Bang average 3. c*** 4. Sexy c*** 5. Hater 6. f*** and don't post you c*** 7 Leave my Dad alone That sort of thing. I'm a 5. Thanks for clarifying that Mick. We don't want there to be any uncertainty about where you stand on the Pardew issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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