AlanSkÃrare Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He's had to adjust his ideas to the players he's being given, pretty much. Sissoko as a battering ram was never going to be his plan yet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He must have went along to the testimonial and I think the penny dropped. He was talking about this club loving attacking football and that's what we need to bring. Keep it up Mr P! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He must have went along to the testimonial and I think the penny dropped. He was talking about this club loving attacking football and that's what we need to bring. Keep it up Mr P! Welcome aboard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ultimately, we have some really talented players. All Pardew has to do is pick the right ones, in the correct positions, and we'll play well. Literally all he has to do. Even his silly defensive mind set won't be able to hold them back. this is exactly right, literally what was being said by a lot of us for over a season - that pardew was holding us back and was a massive cause of last season being terrible because he did everything wrong all he ever had to do was put them in the right places and let them play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Makes you wonder why anyone licked Ferguson's arse when it's that easy. He spent hundreds of millions anarl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Makes you wonder why anyone licked Ferguson's arse when it's that easy. He spent hundreds of millions anarl. is that a response to me? either way it's a fucking terrible post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Comparing Ferguson's achievements over 2 and a half decades to a solitary 5th place finish and early exit from both domestic cups Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ultimately, we have some really talented players. All Pardew has to do is pick the right ones, in the correct positions, and we'll play well. Literally all he has to do. Even his silly defensive mind set won't be able to hold them back. this is exactly right, literally what was being said by a lot of us for over a season - that pardew was holding us back and was a massive cause of last season being terrible because he did everything wrong all he ever had to do was put them in the right places and let them play Pardew was a big part to blame for last season and made a lot of errors however you're an idiot if you think the solution was that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Spot on as always Kaka. All a premier league manager has to do is pick a starting XI. There are literally no other aspects to creating a good passing side. Consistently the most dramatic and biggest spouter of nonsense on here. Some feat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I'm Consistently the most dramatic and biggest spouter of nonsense on here. Some feat. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He must have went along to the testimonial and I think the penny dropped. He was talking about this club loving attacking football and that's what we need to bring. Keep it up Mr P! He's been saying that since he got here. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/New-Newcastle-manager-Alan-Pardew-promises-attacking-positive-football-after-signing-five-and-a-half-year-deal-article647909.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I rarely, in fact have almost never agreed with Kaka, but there is definitely a point to be made about playing your best players, in their best positions, in a formation that suits us. To suggest that that is all you have to do is ludicrous, but I hope he wasn't saying that. Getting the players, the positions and the formation correct is obviously a basic, and when you have good players it can go a long way before even getting into anything else. The point is that Pardew has been guilty of not doing this for a long time. To suggest it's everything is daft, but suggesting that it means nothing and that tactics are absolutely everything is also daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Comparing Ferguson's achievements over 2 and a half decades to a solitary 5th place finish and early exit from both domestic cups Ah but you're forgetting the five back to back premiership titles , the 4 European cups and the 7 FA cups that we won under Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Comparing Ferguson's achievements over 2 and a half decades to a solitary 5th place finish and early exit from both domestic cups Aye, that's what I was doing. Oh dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Before Kinnear we were called Oldhouse Divided, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Makes you wonder why anyone licked Ferguson's arse when it's that easy. He spent hundreds of millions anarl. is that a response to me? either way it's a fucking terrible post Not as bad as suggesting that good players just need to be played in the right position and success is then inevitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I take it that everyone is ignoring my There's a Middle Ground post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Comparing Ferguson's achievements over 2 and a half decades to a solitary 5th place finish and early exit from both domestic cups Aye, that's what I was doing. Oh dear. So what were you doing by bringing Ferguson into the conversation if not comparing the 2 managers and their achievements side by side with their resources? It's reasonable to assume that, using the term in it's broadest sense, Pardew can get results by just "picking the best team", I don't think we can really say that about his 5th place finish (and early exit from both domestic cups) as we were a very rigid unit for large parts of the season, but in games like Villa where certain players are in unplayable form I think there's enough evidence to suggest that it's at least half true. You cannot really say that about someone who has consistently kept a team as one of the best sides on the planet for over 2 decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 It's encouraging, no more no less. No one can argue that we have played better shorter football. The interesting thing really will be an injury or two, and/or a big defeat which everyone will get but it's how he reacts, we've seen in the past a very defensive reaction, hopefully we willl not this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Pardew was a big part to blame for last season and made a lot of errors however you're an idiot if you think the solution was that simple. oh ok then, as i'm an idiot perhaps you can enlighten me how everything has changed so suddenly then given that we have the same manager the same players (+ remy but he's barely played a full game total) the same coaching staff he talked about playing passing football last year yet we played the opposite, i personally attribute that to his playing certain people who consistently underperformed last year when all evidence said drop them combined with his tactical approach to be defensive and not lose games and playing people in the wrong place...the players were never suited for the style of football last year, it was so obvious man of course it's not as simple as just playing 11 players but perhaps it's as simple as being forced to play anita which imo has been the catalyst for us to realise we're able to pass the ball around short, keep possession and attack teams properly....this is the same anita he chose to overlook last season even when he was the only positive thing we had around the holiday period at the end of the day if he's getting credit for the last few games, he deserves everything that comes with how bad last season was look at it another way, vs. villa if he'd played cabaye in the anita role, cisse in the remy role and sissoko as a number 10 do you think we'd have performed as well? neither do i, it's the type of shit he was pulling all last year though...playing players in the right place can make a massive difference man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Makes you wonder why anyone licked Ferguson's arse when it's that easy. He spent hundreds of millions anarl. is that a response to me? either way it's a fucking terrible post Not as bad as suggesting that good players just need to be played in the right position and success is then inevitable. well i was being flippant, see my response to brett for more detail, and the point wasn't that success would be inevitable playing players in the right place - it was that in doing so he would have had a much better chance of avoiding the abject failure of last season i thought that was fucking obvious, apparently not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Something is wrong with Pardews thinking, when if we get an injury or two, which we will as every team does. Rather than stay 4-3-3, he will almost definitely change to a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 system to cope with them imo (hope he doesn't). The squad is better playing 4-3-3, why not just place a player possibly not as suited to a position in a 4-3-3, say such as Jonas (hear me out) wide left of the front 3 as an example. And keep the system most of the squad are suited too and more comfortable with, Rather than go to a system that nearly all the squad are very poor in. I'd rather see a player or two slightly out of position covering injuries, than a whole team struggling. Anyway imo we have cover in a 4-3-3, Gouffran for any of the front 3 positions, Sammy/Obertan for both wide positions up front. Tiote/Marv/Jonas/Gosling/Bigi/Haris while not great cover the central midfield 3. Shola (haha) covering Cisse down the middle. I dont get changing the system because of a couple of injuries. And tbh why we haven't been using 4-3-3 for so long either, there's simply isn't an excuse for not using it for over a season until now when you look at the players Pardew has. We played 4-2-3-1 on Saturday, Bimpy. We've really never played 4-3-3 with Pardew in charge, there's always been someone at the tip of a midfield triangle. 2 years ago it was Cabaye, last year Sissoko, Cabaye again on the weekend. Whoscored have the players' positional maps. Sorry GT i can't agree, positional maps etc, as good as they may be, i trust my eyes, and for me we played 4-3-3 on the attack, 4-5-1 when defending. Subtle as it may have looked that's how i saw it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 We've had an away win agianst a side that rarely wins at home. Whilst it was good, we cant really judge anything yet. Lets just see how things progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 "All he has to do is pick the team" is just a throw away term used when a manager's success is what it is primarily because of the players at his disposal, it obviously isn't a suggestion that that is, in a literal sense, all he has to do. You have to assume that he has at least the basic abilities, roles and responsibilities of a football manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Makes you wonder why anyone licked Ferguson's arse when it's that easy. He spent hundreds of millions anarl. is that a response to me? either way it's a fucking terrible post Not as bad as suggesting that good players just need to be played in the right position and success is then inevitable. It's still a better idea than playing good players in the wrong positions IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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