Ched Evans - Not Guilty

[simonlemagnifique]

Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

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I agree, it's a fair opinion that any fan wouldn't want him at their club. I certainly wouldn't want him here (even if he was good enough) because of the baggage he brings, it's just not worth the hassle.

 

This is a case where other football fans are weighing in on whether or not Oldham should sign him though, which those fans are well within their right to believe is wrong.

 

Same. I wouldn’t want him here either. It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Having said that, these particular fans obviously have a very different view and are seeing an opportunity for a goalscorer on a free transfer slip through their fingers – I can understand their frustrations. It’s a difficult one to call, not just the banner – the situation as a whole.

 

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Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

[simonlemagnifique]

Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

 

Fair enough on that, didn't read like that to me, but that's likely down to my reading more than your writing

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Sure the petitioners are entitled to an opinion, but I can understand that the Oldham fans could be upset at people with nothing to do with the club imposing their will on the club. This is what's happened - as a result of the 70,000 people totally unconnected to their club, (and the apparent rape(!) threats against club staff) they haven't got a player who would be utterly transformative for them.

 

Sure, it's easy sitting on high and disagreeing with somebody who puts their club's on pitch success ahead of your morals, but last season he played, in Oldham's league, and absolutely tore it up, scoring almost a goal a game (36 in 42).

 

If Messi was available for Newcastle, on a free, with affordable wages, after he had a (contentious) rape case go against him, who wouldn't be at least momentarily tempted? Messi! At Newcastle! This is the future Oldham fans saw a glimpse of, and they liked it, and then they had it taken from them, by people who will never give Oldham a second thought ever again in their lives.

 

And then they complain about it, and you call them thick as pig shit.

 

I didn’t call them thick as pig shit for wanting Evans to play for their club, he’d have been an excellent signing – but like I said above, it goes well beyond just signing a player who would tear up the league. The guy has serious baggage.

 

I was calling them thick as pig shit for parading the banner – it draws more attention to the whole situation and to themselves too, I just think it was a little ill advised. Sure, be frustrated that a goal scorer could have been obtained on a free, but keep opinions on things like that away from the public eye. For many football fans I’m sure they’ve come across in a light far worse than I portrayed them in…

 

 

Fair enough on that, didn't read like that to me, but that's likely down to my reading more than your writing

 

Maybe both

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It's a disgrace that any club is giving that low life scum a second channce

 

In fact I'm going to write to LA Galaxy right now

[UV]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

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It's a disgrace that any club is giving that low life scum a second channce

 

In fact I'm going to write to LA Galaxy right now

:lol:

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

[UV]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.

 

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.

 

You are assuming a viewpoint based on gender, both in your assertion that female Oldham supporters would be against it (not sure why supporting Oldham differentiates them from other women), and in your implication that men would be pressured into a viewpoint by their wives & sisters.

 

This was debated on question time:

Watch from 27:30.

 

Going on your logic, some of the women on here must be pro-rape I guess?

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.

 

You are assuming a viewpoint based on gender, both in your assertion that female Oldham supporters would be against it (not sure why supporting Oldham differentiates them from other women), and in your implication that men would be pressured into a viewpoint by their wives & sisters.

 

This was debated on question time:

Watch from 27:30.

 

Going on your logic, some of the women on here must be pro-rape I guess?

 

I think we need to agree to disagree to be honest. I'm not being sexist, at the very least not meaning to be. Life's too short to argue the ins and outs of rape on a football forum

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

 

It's never been more complicated than that.

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SanToon, the voice of reason, my knight in shining armour.

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Aye, as dubious as we may see it, at the end of the day judge and jury found him guilty, who are we to argue with that?

[wyn davies]

Just thought I'd look into Early Release fro Prison:

 

 

Early release from prison - serving your sentence in the community

If you were sentenced to more than 12 months in prison, you may be released early on licence. You will also have a licence if you're out of prison on a home detention curfew (on a tag). Being on licence means that you are still serving a prison sentence but you can live in the community instead of being in prison. Whilst you are on licence, there are rules you must follow. How long these rules apply for depends on the length of your sentence. If you break the rules, you'll have to go back to prison (be recalled).

Standard rules if you're on licence

Here are the standard rules that you mustn't break:

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you must be well-behaved and not commit any further offences or do anything that could put members of the public or your friends or family in danger

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you must keep in touch with your probation officer and do what they ask you to. You mustn't be late for appointments or turn up under the influence of drink or drugs. You mustn't make racist or sexist comments

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if your probation officer needs to visit you at home or somewhere else, you have to agree to this

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you've got to live at an address that your probation officer has approved. Tell your probation officer in advance if you plan to leave that address or stay at another address, even if it's for just one night. Also you have to tell your probation officer if you change your phone number

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you can take up work only if your probation officer approves it. This applies to voluntary work as well as paid work

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you mustn't travel outside the UK without the permission of your probation officer. Permission isn't usually given so ask before you make any arrangements or buy tickets

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if you’re on home detention curfew, you have to keep to a curfew. This means at certain times of the day or evening, you have to stay in. Usually the curfew runs for from 7pm at night to 7am the next morning. The tagging company monitors you and tells the Home Office if you break the rules.

As well as these standard rules, your probation officer might have recommended extra conditions, like not making contact with certain people or not living at the same address as children. Your licence will say what the extra conditions are. If you have to miss an appointment with your probation officer, it's important to be able to show them proof of the reason. For example, if you are ill, get a doctor's note.

[mrmojorisin75]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

 

It's never been more complicated than that.

 

but lads, kids are going to have posters of him all over their walls

 

i wonder if a ched evans poster has ever existed?

[mrmojorisin75]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

 

It's never been more complicated than that.

 

but lads, kids are going to have posters of him all over their walls

 

i wonder if a ched evans poster has ever existed?

 

Hard to get hold of now I imagine.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

He's served his time in accordance with the law so unless the law says he can't return to work when under licence then it's utterly irrelevant tbh.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

"serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system"

 

Offenders always complete their full sentence but usually half the time is spent in prison and the rest is spent on licence. While on licence, an offender can be sent back to prison if they break its terms.

 

The system of serving half a sentence in prison and half on licence was introduced by Parliament, and is not something that judges or magistrates have any control over.

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I'm not opposed to the guy returning to work, I just don't think that should be on the football field.

 

He's now on the sex offenders register, should he really be given a chance to resurrect a priveleged career?

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

"serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system"

 

Offenders always complete their full sentence but usually half the time is spent in prison and the rest is spent on licence. While on licence, an offender can be sent back to prison if they break its terms.

 

The system of serving half a sentence in prison and half on licence was introduced by Parliament, and is not something that judges or magistrates have any control over.

 

So his full sentence hasn't finished, you didn't say prison. His time is still ongoing until the licence stops.

Why is that relevant in this case specifically though? It's not like he fucking escaped or got out on a technicality, he served every day inside he was told to and is presumably doing as he's supposed to now he's out.