Ched Evans - Not Guilty

[UV]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.

 

You are assuming a viewpoint based on gender, both in your assertion that female Oldham supporters would be against it (not sure why supporting Oldham differentiates them from other women), and in your implication that men would be pressured into a viewpoint by their wives & sisters.

 

This was debated on question time:

Watch from 27:30.

 

Going on your logic, some of the women on here must be pro-rape I guess?

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

I didn’t say ‘all women’, I said female Oldham fans.

 

The guy was sentenced to prison time, clear cut or not based on what you and I read about it, he was found guilty in court.

 

Yes he served his time, but his profession is a specialist one, a privileged one. I work for Social Services, if I had a rape conviction and prison time to my name, I’d struggle to find employment.

 

Lastly, when did I say that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think he should be left alone to get on with his life? I was merely implying that  potential team mates of his who do, may feel more strongly against him due to pressures from their loved ones. Nothing remotely sexist or ignorant about that.

 

You are assuming a viewpoint based on gender, both in your assertion that female Oldham supporters would be against it (not sure why supporting Oldham differentiates them from other women), and in your implication that men would be pressured into a viewpoint by their wives & sisters.

 

This was debated on question time:

Watch from 27:30.

 

Going on your logic, some of the women on here must be pro-rape I guess?

 

I think we need to agree to disagree to be honest. I'm not being sexist, at the very least not meaning to be. Life's too short to argue the ins and outs of rape on a football forum

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

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SanToon, the voice of reason, my knight in shining armour.

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Aye, as dubious as we may see it, at the end of the day judge and jury found him guilty, who are we to argue with that?

[wyn davies]

Just thought I'd look into Early Release fro Prison:

 

 

Early release from prison - serving your sentence in the community

If you were sentenced to more than 12 months in prison, you may be released early on licence. You will also have a licence if you're out of prison on a home detention curfew (on a tag). Being on licence means that you are still serving a prison sentence but you can live in the community instead of being in prison. Whilst you are on licence, there are rules you must follow. How long these rules apply for depends on the length of your sentence. If you break the rules, you'll have to go back to prison (be recalled).

Standard rules if you're on licence

Here are the standard rules that you mustn't break:

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you must be well-behaved and not commit any further offences or do anything that could put members of the public or your friends or family in danger

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you must keep in touch with your probation officer and do what they ask you to. You mustn't be late for appointments or turn up under the influence of drink or drugs. You mustn't make racist or sexist comments

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if your probation officer needs to visit you at home or somewhere else, you have to agree to this

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you've got to live at an address that your probation officer has approved. Tell your probation officer in advance if you plan to leave that address or stay at another address, even if it's for just one night. Also you have to tell your probation officer if you change your phone number

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you can take up work only if your probation officer approves it. This applies to voluntary work as well as paid work

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you mustn't travel outside the UK without the permission of your probation officer. Permission isn't usually given so ask before you make any arrangements or buy tickets

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if you’re on home detention curfew, you have to keep to a curfew. This means at certain times of the day or evening, you have to stay in. Usually the curfew runs for from 7pm at night to 7am the next morning. The tagging company monitors you and tells the Home Office if you break the rules.

As well as these standard rules, your probation officer might have recommended extra conditions, like not making contact with certain people or not living at the same address as children. Your licence will say what the extra conditions are. If you have to miss an appointment with your probation officer, it's important to be able to show them proof of the reason. For example, if you are ill, get a doctor's note.

[mrmojorisin75]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

 

It's never been more complicated than that.

 

but lads, kids are going to have posters of him all over their walls

 

i wonder if a ched evans poster has ever existed?

[mrmojorisin75]

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought that QT debate was fairly terrible. Nobody came up with a reasoned case as to why he shouldn't be allowed to resume his life IMO.

 

For me the strength of the case is fairly irrelevant, he's guilty. Even so, I think he should be allowed to get his life back on track when the law allows.

 

It's never been more complicated than that.

 

but lads, kids are going to have posters of him all over their walls

 

i wonder if a ched evans poster has ever existed?

 

Hard to get hold of now I imagine.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

He's served his time in accordance with the law so unless the law says he can't return to work when under licence then it's utterly irrelevant tbh.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

"serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system"

 

Offenders always complete their full sentence but usually half the time is spent in prison and the rest is spent on licence. While on licence, an offender can be sent back to prison if they break its terms.

 

The system of serving half a sentence in prison and half on licence was introduced by Parliament, and is not something that judges or magistrates have any control over.

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I'm not opposed to the guy returning to work, I just don't think that should be on the football field.

 

He's now on the sex offenders register, should he really be given a chance to resurrect a priveleged career?

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

"serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system"

 

Offenders always complete their full sentence but usually half the time is spent in prison and the rest is spent on licence. While on licence, an offender can be sent back to prison if they break its terms.

 

The system of serving half a sentence in prison and half on licence was introduced by Parliament, and is not something that judges or magistrates have any control over.

 

So his full sentence hasn't finished, you didn't say prison. His time is still ongoing until the licence stops.

Why is that relevant in this case specifically though? It's not like he fucking escaped or got out on a technicality, he served every day inside he was told to and is presumably doing as he's supposed to now he's out.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

"serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system"

 

Offenders always complete their full sentence but usually half the time is spent in prison and the rest is spent on licence. While on licence, an offender can be sent back to prison if they break its terms.

 

The system of serving half a sentence in prison and half on licence was introduced by Parliament, and is not something that judges or magistrates have any control over.

 

So his full sentence hasn't finished, you didn't say prison. His time is still ongoing until the licence stops.

Why is that relevant in this case specifically though? It's not like he fucking escaped or got out on a technicality, he served every day inside he was told to and is presumably doing as he's supposed to now he's out.

 

Wasnt my point mate. I merely contested the fact he's not served his time. He's done his bit in prison yeah, he hasn't finished his sentence, he can't even go abroad can he?

Fair enough

[mozy]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

I think it's highly unlikely there is some secret piece of conclusive evidence that was only available in court but hasn't been mentioned by anyone since. Based on what we know, i'm not comfortable with the decision reached by the jury and think he has every right to an appeal.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

I think it's highly unlikely there is some secret piece of conclusive evidence that was only available in court but hasn't been mentioned by anyone since. Based on what we know, i'm not comfortable with the decision reached by the jury and think he has every right to an appeal.

Same here. It was good hearing that woman on Question Time saying the same thing tbh (then getting shouted down mind). The blasé attitude of "he's been found guilty, he's a convicted rapist" in this case is ludicrous really.

[mozy]

 

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

I think it's highly unlikely there is some secret piece of conclusive evidence that was only available in court but hasn't been mentioned by anyone since. Based on what we know, i'm not comfortable with the decision reached by the jury and think he has every right to an appeal.

 

no one is saying that. Did you listen to all the testimony then? I think they probably made their decision based on all the evidence presented to them.

 

Yes, but I don't think there's anything that they would have heard that we don't know. If there was, it would be all over that cringeworthy Support Ched website and in the media.

 

If your point is simply how witnesses came across in court etc then fair enough, but should that be enough to convict someone?

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I'm genuinely baffled that people seem to think he may be innocent, just because he himself hasn't admitted to it. Unless any of us have seen or heard the evidence in court, surely we need to just trust the guy was convicted by judge and jury and so is a convicted rapist.

 

Seriously, what am I missing?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm perfectly comfortable considering him a convicted rapist TBH. I still think he should be allowed to rebuild his life.

 

If he wants an appeal fair enough, if it succeeds he won't be a convicted rapist any more. I don't think those two concepts are hard to hold together in your mind.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

 

It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

I think it's highly unlikely there is some secret piece of conclusive evidence that was only available in court but hasn't been mentioned by anyone since. Based on what we know, i'm not comfortable with the decision reached by the jury and think he has every right to an appeal.

 

no one is saying that. Did you listen to all the testimony then? I think they probably made their decision based on all the evidence presented to them.

 

Yes, but I don't think there's anything that they would have heard that we don't know. If there was, it would be all over that cringeworthy Support Ched website and in the media.

 

If your point is simply how witnesses came across in court etc then fair enough, but should that be enough to convict someone?

Don't know how many times it needs saying like:

 

The lass claims no recollection whatsoever, and therefore can't say what happened either way

 

There was no physical evidence

 

The night porter backed his and McDonald's statement that she consented willingly

 

The only evidence against him really is his own statement that he had consensual sex with her

 

The jury, seemingly heavily influenced by the judge and against expert testimony have made an entirely subjective and arbitrary decision based on CCTV footage and the lass saying she can't remember to convict the lad of rape based on her not being able to consent, which literally can not be proven beyond doubt

 

He might be an absolute fucking knobhead but he should not have gone down

[Cunning_Linguist]

I am loving seeing peoples different views on this, Really seems to be quite an equal divide amongst people in general, and it shows here as well.

 

My Personal Opinion based on the case which, lets face it, are very sketchy and a little Dubious is that I think he should be allowed to play football again.

 

If he was a Plumber and this happened, I am pretty sure people would not give a flying F**k about whether he worked as a plumber or not again BUT if he did, This is a job where he would be going in to peoples HOMES, and lets face it, Do people check Court Records every time they call a plumber out to see if they are on the Sex offenders register? I think not. For me it would be more dangerous in that situation.

 

After everything that has happened, Ched Evans will be a watched, and marked man and he will have to be very careful with how he carries on in his personal life as people could target him for more of the same, a la Ken Barlow, Kevin Webster......

 

I got thinking more about this and decided to do a quick web search and found this Wikipedia which lists footballers (and other sports stars) who have been in prison etc. Quite a few famous names on there some of which are still playing football now. There are even some players whose names are not on the list (Lee Bowyer, Jon Woodgate, Stan Collymore and Adrian Mutu ). I know Ched Evans Case is a bit different to the majority on that list, which is mainly assault and drink driving, but never the less, are they an example to kids etc and should they have remained in the spotlight? Especially as there are a couple of killers in there???

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

I'm perfectly comfortable considering him a convicted rapist TBH. I still think he should be allowed to rebuild his life.

 

If he wants an appeal fair enough, if it succeeds he won't be a convicted rapist any more. I don't think those two concepts are hard to hold together in your mind.

 

This basically. He's got a cushy job available to him btw outside of football

 

I guess also we must resist the simplistic idea that all 'convicted rapists' are exactly the same. They obviously aren't, I think you can say that without minimising rape as a crime in general.

 

Obviously for legal/official purposes we currently don't have different degrees of rape, but in common sense there are rapists that are many times worse than Ched Evans.

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It obviously goes a lot deeper than just the signing of a player. Team mates, married ones, ones with sisters – would they want to be involved with a guy like this? Also Oldham’s female fan base, sure they supported the petition whether the signed it or not.

 

Bit sexist that isn't it? Assuming every single woman holds that opinion?

 

You think it’s sexist of me to assume that women are anti-rape? Righto.

 

As previous posters have pointed out, you do seem to have major comprehension problems. You probably shouldn't be bandying around terms like "thick as pigshit" about others.

 

To clarify, I think it's sexist of you to assume that all women think the same way about this case. Specifically that they all

a) agree that this is a clear cut case of rape

b) think that after serving the time in prison dictated by the British justice system he hasn't been punished enough and should not be able to resume his career with someone who is willing to employ him

 

It is also ignorant to think that only men without wives or sisters could possibly think that he should be left alone to get on with his life after serving his sentence.

 

He didn't serve his time he's out on licence. Also he's a convicted rapist,  you can't cast aspersions on the validity of his conviction without being in court and seeing all the evidence they saw. It's not as simple as "well it sounds like it's bit dodgy to me!!"

 

are other people out on licence allowed to work during the remainder of their sentence or are they all prevented from doing so?

 

Not sure. I'm merely stating the fact he hasn't "served his time". This all seems to be predicated on the fact it's not a "clear cut case" which doesn't sit very comfortably with me, considering none of us were in court and heard all the evidence. Seems to me if it was as shaky as people think he might have not been convicted?

 

I think it's highly unlikely there is some secret piece of conclusive evidence that was only available in court but hasn't been mentioned by anyone since. Based on what we know, i'm not comfortable with the decision reached by the jury and think he has every right to an appeal.

Same here. It was good hearing that woman on Question Time saying the same thing tbh (then getting shouted down mind). The blasé attitude of "he's been found guilty, he's a convicted rapist" in this case is ludicrous really.

 

I don't understand how can this be considered a 'blasé attitude'?

 

The guy was arrested. Went to trial. Was found guilty of rape and convicted as such. Therefore, he's a convicted rapist. It's not blasé at all, until such time he lodges a successful appeal and has it overturned, he will always be a convicted rapist.

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I am loving seeing peoples different views on this, Really seems to be quite an equal divide amongst people in general, and it shows here as well.

 

My Personal Opinion based on the case which, lets face it, are very sketchy and a little Dubious is that I think he should be allowed to play football again.

 

If he was a Plumber and this happened, I am pretty sure people would not give a flying F**k about whether he worked as a plumber or not again BUT if he did, This is a job where he would be going in to peoples HOMES, and lets face it, Do people check Court Records every time they call a plumber out to see if they are on the Sex offenders register? I think not. For me it would be more dangerous in that situation.

 

After everything that has happened, Ched Evans will be a watched, and marked man and he will have to be very careful with how he carries on in his personal life as people could target him for more of the same, a la Ken Barlow, Kevin Webster......

 

I got thinking more about this and decided to do a quick web search and found this Wikipedia which lists footballers (and other sports stars) who have been in prison etc. Quite a few famous names on there some of which are still playing football now. There are even some players whose names are not on the list (Lee Bowyer, Jon Woodgate, Stan Collymore and Adrian Mutu ). I know Ched Evans Case is a bit different to the majority on that list, which is mainly assault and drink driving, but never the less, are they an example to kids etc and should they have remained in the spotlight? Especially as there are a couple of killers in there???

 

Agree with you pretty much completely here.

 

TBH you could argue that it's better for parents to explain to their children that people can make mistakes, do bad things, and still be able to be rehabilitated. If I had kids I would be at least trying that line I think.

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I'm perfectly comfortable considering him a convicted rapist TBH. I still think he should be allowed to rebuild his life.

 

If he wants an appeal fair enough, if it succeeds he won't be a convicted rapist any more. I don't think those two concepts are hard to hold together in your mind.

 

This basically. He's got a cushy job available to him btw outside of football

 

I guess also we must resist the simplistic idea that all 'convicted rapists' are exactly the same. They obviously aren't, I think you can say that without minimising rape as a crime in general.

 

Obviously for legal/official purposes we currently don't have different degrees of rape, but in common sense there are rapists that are many times worse than Ched Evans.

 

I like, and agree with, how you've put that bit, and even taking this into account (which I'm sure we all do) the guy was convicted of rape based on court evidence and witness testimony.

 

Granted, from what we know about the paralytic state of the girl etc it's enormously different to an aggressive, pre-meditated act of rape but as Ian said, there are no different degrees of rape and there is still a victim.