Newcastle United vs Southampton - Sat 17th Jan @ 5:30pm (live on Sky)

[Yorkie]

Surely, given the amount of coverage, there'd have been an outright denial or at least an update from Garde's party if there hadn't been some serious negotiations - potentially ongoing. I'm not as in-the-loop as others here but I'm fairly relaxed about the managerial search up to now. I've no real issues with them being patient.

[STM]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

[Ronaldo]

Pelle made Colo his bitch in the previous game as well

 

Every decent striker in the league has done that at some point.

[r0cafella]

Pelle made Colo his bitch in the previous game as well

 

Every decent striker in the league has done that at some point.

 

I still remember Chicharito bossing him physically at the end of last season.

 

Embarrassing. 

[STM]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

[Ryan]

Tadic and Bertrand facing late fitness tests.

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

It's a bit of an effort if their plan was to hire Carver or some other clogger they know.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

Appointed people to menial jobs within the club sure.

 

Any appointment of any relevance has been either due to cronyism or having someone he can control.

 

You don't actually believe Charnley would ever do something Ashley would disapprove of do you?

[STM]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

[STM]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

 

No, you can take it or leave it.

[mouldy_uk]

Not sure how I feel about this game. The Pardew misery has lifted fully so I should be excited, but really don't want Carver to get the job 

 

I'm going for an undeserved 1-0 win to us, with Carver then being praised by the media for beating Champions League chasing Southampton. Thus giving Ashley the last bit of incentive he needs to get Carver in 

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

Appointed people to menial jobs within the club sure.

 

Any appointment of any relevance has been either due to cronyism or having someone he can control.

 

You don't actually believe Charnley would ever do something Ashley would disapprove of do you?

And if Ashley had one of his mates in mind why would he give the job of finding someone to Charnley and Carr and why wouldn't he have already been appointed?

You aren't addressing these situations in your arguments, your just coming up with a hypothetical scenario in your head and repeating it.

 

If you look at the evidence on balance then it appears that they are after an outside appointment, if you are honestly looking at this evidence and coming to the conclusion that it's going to be Carver or another one of Ashley's mates then the only person your trolling is yourself.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

 

No, you can take it or leave it.

 

Ashley has fooled me once so I wont be taking this particular leap of faith.

 

Either way If we have a decent manager within the next 6 months and not a knacker then happy days.

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

 

No, you can take it or leave it.

In your opinion do you think it's possible or likely that Garde will still be appointed?

[sempuki]

Tadic and Bertrand facing late fitness tests.

It would be a bonus if Tadic is out.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

Appointed people to menial jobs within the club sure.

 

Any appointment of any relevance has been either due to cronyism or having someone he can control.

 

You don't actually believe Charnley would ever do something Ashley would disapprove of do you?

And if Ashley had one of his mates in mind why would he give the job of finding someone to Charnley and Carr and why wouldn't he have already been appointed?

You aren't addressing these situations in your arguments, your just coming up with a hypothetical scenario in your head and repeating it.

 

If you look at the evidence on balance then it appears that they are after an outside appointment, if you are honestly looking at this evidence and coming to the conclusion that it's going to be Carver or another one of Ashley's mates then the only person your rolling is yourself.

 

They've given Charnley and Carr the responsibility of finding a manager correct.

 

Charnley and Carr won't be the one signing off on the manager that will be Ashley. Hence why i stated appointing Garde or someone of his ilk would be a shift in strategy.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

 

No, you can take it or leave it.

In your opinion do you think it's possible or likely that Garde will still be appointed?

 

Of course it's possible.

 

I'm just acutely aware of how many times we've been played in this sort of situation hence my skepticism.

 

I'd be thoroughly stupid to have any faith in those at the top of the club when it comes to matters of ambition.

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

Appointed people to menial jobs within the club sure.

 

Any appointment of any relevance has been either due to cronyism or having someone he can control.

 

You don't actually believe Charnley would ever do something Ashley would disapprove of do you?

And if Ashley had one of his mates in mind why would he give the job of finding someone to Charnley and Carr and why wouldn't he have already been appointed?

You aren't addressing these situations in your arguments, your just coming up with a hypothetical scenario in your head and repeating it.

 

If you look at the evidence on balance then it appears that they are after an outside appointment, if you are honestly looking at this evidence and coming to the conclusion that it's going to be Carver or another one of Ashley's mates then the only person your rolling is yourself.

 

They've given Charnley and Carr the responsibility of finding a manager correct.

 

Charnley and Carr won't be the one signing off on the manager that will be Ashley. Hence why i stated appointing Garde or someone of his ilk would be a shift in strategy.

Charnley until a year ago was in charge of all financial control, he still is. It's his signature that goes on contracts for players and managers contracts on behalf of the club, you honestly think they get Ashley in to sign every contract? Charley and Carr have been left in charge of finding and hiring the manager, of course they will go to Ashley to tell him who they want to give the job too before offering him it but it's likely Ashley will just say yes. As I've pointed out if Ashley wants his man in then his man would already have been appointed.

 

Of course appointing Garde or someone similar would be a change in strategy compared to Pardew's appointment, but you seemed to phrase it as though there wouldn't be a change in strategy.

[Stifler]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

Apparently, Charnley and Carr are heading the search though. Why would they meet a manager (in secret) which costs them time and ultimately money for "just a rouse".

Don't you remember the transfer summit on mikes yacht in the south of France?

 

A key part of Ashley success in making the fanbase totally apathetic and zombified is his complete and utter removal of any hope for a better future. He appoints someone competent who wants to challenge for things the hope returns and the fanbase rallies against ownership which lacks the ambition of the fans and the manager.

 

So why give the fans hope by interviewing him and then crush them hopes by hiring Carver or such like? All they do is create a hostile atmosphere, hardly zombifying.

 

There's no real reason to interview anyone "for effect". I just don't see it. Not that I'm convinced that he will get the gig.

 

Of course it does.

 

You can't trot out the "we tried" line if you aren't seen as actually trying to get someone competent in.

 

Remember how we tried to keep hold of Carroll for example? Remember all of those players we just couldn't get over the line? Do you actually believe we are trying to be the best football club we can?

 

 

 

So they go through all that effort just to say "we tried". Come off it. If Carver gets the gig it will be down to their own stupid judgement, plain and simple.

What effort are you talking about man? Having a discussion with a manager in London really isn't much of an effort.

 

The meeting wasn't in London, it was in Manchester (or at least started there), despite reports. I'm not getting into how I know but plenty of real effort was put in.

Why don't you enlighten us about the "effort"  we put in so we can judge for ourselves?

 

No, you can take it or leave it.

In your opinion do you think it's possible or likely that Garde will still be appointed?

 

Of course it's possible.

 

I'm just acutely aware of how many times we've been played in this sort of situation hence my skepticism.

 

I'd be thoroughly stupid to have any faith in those at the top of the club when it comes to matters of ambition.

That question wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at South Tynedale Mag in light of his claim to know a little about whats going on.

[r0cafella]

I can't help but the feel the "Garde" talk was just a rouse.

 

We love to trot out the line "couldn't get him over the line" and I can't help but feel that's all Garde is.

 

 

If Ashley is happy with the direction of the club Carver is the only show in town. appointed someone like Garde would signal a change of philosophy and given Ashley has had the opportunity to change course on more than one occasion but hasn't tells me It's Carver or someone of his ilk.

 

I hope I'm wrong of course.

How would appointing Garde be a change in philosophy for the club? It's been pointed out how Garde has had to deal with players being sold, little money to spend, having to bring in youth players etc. All this points to how Garde is a man that Ashley should be going for, in fact most foreign clubs are ran like this and most foreign managers would fit our philosophy.

 

The club have never been bothered about what the fans think, if Carver was the man they wanted they wouldn't hang around in appointing him in an attempt to ease fan pressure, they would just go with it.

 

Because Ashley has a long history of not appointing his cronies Stifler.

He's also appointed people who aren't his cronies as well. in recent years he's been getting rid of them.

If he wanted to appoint his cronies then he's been linked to have connections with our shit managers in the past, surely one of them would have been appointed by now. Again the point that he doesn't give a shit about fans opinions rings true in the sense that if Carver or one of his other mates was to get the job then he would have been given it by now. When Cuntboy was appointed it was rumoured beforehand and it happened only a few days after Houghton was sacked, Ashley would have acted fast to get one of his cronies or Carver in if it was his plan.

Appointed people to menial jobs within the club sure.

 

Any appointment of any relevance has been either due to cronyism or having someone he can control.

 

You don't actually believe Charnley would ever do something Ashley would disapprove of do you?

And if Ashley had one of his mates in mind why would he give the job of finding someone to Charnley and Carr and why wouldn't he have already been appointed?

You aren't addressing these situations in your arguments, your just coming up with a hypothetical scenario in your head and repeating it.

 

If you look at the evidence on balance then it appears that they are after an outside appointment, if you are honestly looking at this evidence and coming to the conclusion that it's going to be Carver or another one of Ashley's mates then the only person your rolling is yourself.

 

They've given Charnley and Carr the responsibility of finding a manager correct.

 

Charnley and Carr won't be the one signing off on the manager that will be Ashley. Hence why i stated appointing Garde or someone of his ilk would be a shift in strategy.

Charnley until a year ago was in charge of all financial control, he still is. It's his signature that goes on contracts for players and managers contracts on behalf of the club, you honestly think they get Ashley in to sign every contract? Charley and Carr have been left in charge of finding and hiring the manager, of course they will go to Ashley to tell him who they want to give the job too before offering him it but it's likely Ashley will just say yes. As I've pointed out if Ashley wants his man in then his man would already have been appointed.

 

You're infuriating man.

 

Ignore who physically signs the cheques as this has no relevance to the matter at hand. Ashley will have the final say on this managerial appointment.