FIFA World Cup

[Dr.Spaceman]

What's the appetite on here for a predictor?

[Interpolic]

Remember in 2010 when the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosts were announced, being really excited that England might host it in 2018 and being furious they were awarded to Russia and Qatar. It stank then and it stinks now, especially Qatar. 

 

Also recall all the talk being that Qatar had promised they could host it during the summer and just have pure loads of air con all over the shop, was only a few years ago them and FIFA bit the bullet on that one. 

[Dancing Brave]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

A do think lot of people come across as very mackem esque when it comes to human rights . They only highlight it when it suits their agenda . You either decide you want nothing to do with anything related to human rights. You don’t watch a particular football club or the World Cup etc because you feel that strongly against it , or you just decide you tolerate it and continue to live your life as normal . I personally think it’s class being a Newcastle fan at the moment, therefore can’t really take the moral high ground when it comes to the World Cup or Gary Neville or anyone else when it comes to human rights . Others for example will cry on all day long about our owners but watch the World Cup with a clear conscience which is just totally wrong and actually makes a mockery of human rights .

[Miercoles]

29 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

Remember in 2010 when the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosts were announced, being really excited that England might host it in 2018 and being furious they were awarded to Russia and Qatar. It stank then and it stinks now, especially Qatar. 

 

Also recall all the talk being that Qatar had promised they could host it during the summer and just have pure loads of air con all over the shop, was only a few years ago them and FIFA bit the bullet on that one. 

Oh yeah, my favorite part of Qatar's bid was that they were going to invent a new air conditioning technology that would allow them to cool open air stadiums.

 

Fucking shocker that one hasn't worked out.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Miercoles

[TheBrownBottle]

Isn’t the issue with Neville that he’s not just commentating, but he’s taken a paid gig with Qatari mouthpiece BeIN?

[TheBrownBottle]

21 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

1982 World Cup had groups of 3 in the Second Round, anyone got any idea how they went? Might have been the only time so guessing the fact it was gone by 86 suggests it was shit.

Nothing will ever be as crackers as the 1950 World Cup, which didn’t actually have a final - instead it had a group of four with the team on top winning the WC.  It just happened that the final game played between Brazil and Uruguay was between the only teams with a chance of still winning it …

[Jonas]

Just now, huss9 said:

they've had how many years to really protest and highlight the issues but they will till now.

i'm talking about the celebs, ex players, etc - not human rights groups.

there should have been massive pressure, threatened boycotts, public statements etc years ago.

One of the reasons I'm okay with our takeover is because for 20years before it this is where football has gone, against my wishes.

If our takeover was the first of these sorts of things I'd have been against it but for 20years from Abramovich to the last world cup I've been told its good for football and geopolitics doesn't matter and feel were just playing the game that they created.

 

Until very recently there seemed as much concern about this World Cup as the one in the US - with fears they'd change the rules, size of the goals, quarters rather than halves and going to a non-football country.

[Dinho lad]

You didn't stop enjoying life when you invaded other countries, so we're not going to stop enjoying our life when we're hosting a world event.  Deal with it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

Interesting conflating of populations and governments into 'you' there. 

[Dinho lad]

17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Interesting conflating of populations and governments into 'you' there. 

 

You condemning Qatar hosting the world cup is also implicitly saying the people of Qatar are not allowed to see their country hosting such event.

 

I doubt you'll be complaining if England win the rights to host Euro 2028. 

 

Anyway, a bit of perspective never harms:

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

59 minutes ago, Dinho lad said:

 

You condemning Qatar hosting the world cup is also implicitly saying the people of Qatar are not allowed to see their country hosting such event.

 

No.

[Heron]

If the stance is that we should boycott the world cup because there were 15,000 deaths to make the World Cup happen. Does boycotting it not ultimately mean that those people died in vain?

[Dinho lad]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

No.

 

Erm, yes. You either want the middle east to progress (or 'progress', in my view) or you don't. If it's yes, then shut the fuck up about a middle eastern country participating with the world. 

 

Or maybe you can critically analyse your liberal idols in the media (i.e., that shit article in the Guardian re the 6500 deaths). 

[Heron]

2 hours ago, Dinho lad said:

You didn't stop enjoying life when you invaded other countries, so we're not going to stop enjoying our life when we're hosting a world event.  Deal with it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Banging choon

[Dinho lad]

I don't know what critically appeared in red, but it's quite fitting for a parrot like you, Kid Icarus. 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

If the stance is that we should boycott the world cup because there were 15,000 deaths to make the World Cup happen. Does boycotting it not ultimately mean that those people died in vain?

 

They died in vain regardless. The whole idea is presumably, give world cups to countries with human rights records like that and we won't watch it and you'll lose money.

 

Can't imagine it'll happen to any meaningful level though.

[Miercoles]

1 minute ago, Dinho lad said:

Or maybe you can critically analyse your liberal idols in the media (i.e., that shit article in the Guardian re the 6500 deaths). 

 

Ahhh, there it is. I wondered why you gave a shit.

[Dinho lad]

2 minutes ago, Heron said:

Banging choon

 

Arabic music is full of banging tunes.

 

This one is ready and waiting for you in Qatar:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Dinho lad

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, Dinho lad said:

 

Erm, yes. You either want the middle east to progress (or 'progress', in my view) or you don't. If it's yes, then shut the fuck up about a middle eastern country participating with the world. 

 

Or maybe you can critically analyse your liberal idols in the media (i.e., that shit article in the Guardian re the 6500 deaths). 

Liberal idols ffs. I couldn't be any more anti-liberal if I tried, you fucking ignorant dipshit

 

I don't count 'participating with the world' as 'progress' when nothing significant has changed - you know? The things that would warrant the use of the word progress. Qatar was given a World Cup then proceeded to work labourers to death. That's not 'progress', that's vindication for not progressing.

 

The idea that you think you can lecture anyone on critical analysis is priceless, you consistently have the most brain dead, ill-informed takes on here that don't even pass the most basic scrutiny. You're a joke 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Dinho lad]

Actually, most of your post comes across as some sort rants from a irrational housewife. Says it all. 

 

And if you don't consider the progress Qatar made over the last decade or two as progress, then you're probably a fool who definitely needs to think rationally about it, with some perspective. 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Dinho lad

[Kid Icarus]

Irrational housewife

 

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Dinho lad]

Yes, you're a bit of a cry arse. 

[Heron]

29 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

They died in vain regardless. The whole idea is presumably, give world cups to countries with human rights records like that and we won't watch it and you'll lose money.

 

Can't imagine it'll happen to any meaningful level though.

Me neither.

 

For me, I think this is a very difficult situation to navigate. The Qatari people have as much right as anyone to play host. However, the human rights issues and deaths cannot simply be ignored.

 

I personally feel that, if we want countries like Qatar to 'progress' to our way of thinking and give equality to all walks of life then shutting the door on them isn't the best solution. Perhaps, the World Cup might bring about some form of culture clash that actually benefits the Qatari people and others from around the world.

 

For example, they probably frown upon pissed England fans dancing on cars with fireworks hanging out their arse, which is somewhat less of an issue (to say the least). Perhaps, fans going there, not able to get absolutely blitzed on drink and understand Muslim/Arabic culture might enlighten many, and as part of other cultures travelling there it might influence them into understanding that actually it is better to live peacefully and without prejudice of women and homosexuals, etc.

 

I just think shutting the door on it is more likely to create more conflict/less likely to 'resolve' issues.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Heron

[Deuce]

Looking forward to Fyre Fest: Football Edition.

[Kid Icarus]

19 minutes ago, Heron said:

Me neither.

 

For me, I think this is a very difficult situation to navigate. The Qatari people have as much right as anyone to play host. However, the human rights issues and deaths cannot simply be ignored.

 

I personally feel that, if we want countries like Qatar to 'progress' to our way of thinking and give equality to all walks of life then shutting the door on them isn't the best solution. Perhaps, the World Cup might bring about some form of culture clash that actually benefits the Qatari people and others from around the world.

 

For example, they probably frown upon pissed England fans dancing on cars with fireworks hanging out their arse, which is somewhat less of an issue (to say the least). Perhaps, fans going there, not able to get absolutely blitzed on drink and understand Muslim/Arabic culture might enlighten many, and as part of other cultures travelling there it might influence them into understanding that actually it is better to live peacefully and without prejudice of women and homosexuals, etc.

 

I just think shutting the door on it is more likely to create more conflict/less likely to 'resolve' issues.

 

 

 

I take all of the points you're making, I just see it on the other side of the coin, that Qatar has essentially being rewarded before having made any progress, then haven't made any significant progress in the meantime.

 

Think of all the previous examples of the same sort of thing happening - Berlin 1936, China 2008, Russia 2018, they changed and stopped nothing. Even looking in our own back yard, did the 2012 Olympics change anything in our own national psyche? Considering everything that followed I think it's hard to argue that it did.

 

FWIW I think in a non-corrupt FIFA, carrot and stick would be the best way. ie countries are told that until they do achievable X, Y, and Z they won't get a World Cup, then the ones that do are shown to be rewarded.

 

Completely unrealistic and naive like, especially now that Qatar has been frowned upon but accepted, including by the precious advertisers.