Guest HTT II Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: Yeah, a superb midfielder He was brilliant. So elegant and kind of modern in today’s terms for back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Wears a tracksuit and does dodgy things but with a smile on his face with little scrutiny. I'm sure that sounds familiar. Allegedly, of course. For the sake of every legal thing ever invented in every jurisdiction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, HTT II said: Another fave player of mine from the ‘90s! Think he was the first footballer I’d ever seen play with non-black football boots when I watched that World Cup as a kid. Was in awe of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 doesn´t look like football is coming home this fall either.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Probably for the best the World Cup wasn't this summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Isn't the thread on here about 'arry titled 'Football's wrecking ball' or something? For that alone, he shouldn't be anywhere near the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, ManDoon said: Redknapp bankrupted Portsmouth practically with insane contracts. Also people who aren’t into dodgy deals don’t usually react like this: First if heard of him bankrupting Portsmouth. If he's spent too much or giving too many contracts that weren't sustainable, surely that's a failure of the football executives above him. You can't just be giving a manager whatever they ask for. The bit about the reaction in the interview is silly as you can't bas it off of that at all. It's clear a lot of people don't think he should have the job, which is fair enough. Just think it is laughable that someone like Allardyce was given it ahead of him, only for the guy to be doing some dodgy stuff straight away, before even having managed a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 By the time Allardyce got the job in 2016, Redknapp's reputation was in the toilet after managing QPR. You could argue he should have got the job instead of Hodgson in 2012, but I think the case for Hodgson over Redknapp was strong too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, HTT II said: Also I quite liked the promotion of Southgate, other countries give managers without much experience a chance and it hopefully bodes well for other aspiring home grown managers/coaches. I’d have Potter as our next manager for example, but I guarantee people will say what’s he won, who has he managed etc. I'm happy for U21 managers to be promoted IF they do a good job. Southgate did not when it came to tournaments - he did worse than Stuart Pearce with a better side (at a time when our other youth teams were winning trophies). Nobody can say Southgate has not done more good than bad, but when the bad happens, people will inevitably (rightly or wrongly) question his credentials and why he got the job/if there's anyone more qualified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I think if I were to put emotion aside and be utterly and totally even handed about this, after carefully considering all arguments put forward, I can assess Southgate's management of England thus: He is hyperwank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said: By the time Allardyce got the job in 2016, Redknapp's reputation was in the toilet after managing QPR. You could argue he should have got the job instead of Hodgson in 2012, but I think the case for Hodgson over Redknapp was strong too. Yeah, it's quite unfortunate really. Think he'd have had them playing some really exciting football. Completely forgot about Hodgson man, yikes. Hodgson, Allardyce and Southgate. Man, that is a depressing trio, from an enjoyable spectacle point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 54 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said: I'm happy for U21 managers to be promoted IF they do a good job. Southgate did not when it came to tournaments - he did worse than Stuart Pearce with a better side (at a time when our other youth teams were winning trophies). Nobody can say Southgate has not done more good than bad, but when the bad happens, people will inevitably (rightly or wrongly) question his credentials and why he got the job/if there's anyone more qualified. He did relatively well in a proper job at Boro, as his first stint as a manager! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 16 hours ago, HTT II said: He did relatively well in a proper job at Boro, as his first stint as a manager! Relegation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, Nucasol said: Relegation? Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Rafa had 10 games to keep us up, got us straight back up and kept us up. Southgate relegated them after 3 seasons which shows a negative trend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 So much of the Southgate hate is from our knuckle dragged fans that don’t like how “woke” he is or whatever, and though I would always defend the job he’s done to date, questions do need ti be asked. However, he’s going nowhere till after the World Cup. We don’t have a defence capable of winning it and there are a number of very strong teams out there so I don’t really get what people want. We’re still technically quite far behind other countries iyam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Rafa had 10 games to keep us up, got us straight back up and kept us up. Southgate relegated them after 3 seasons which shows a negative trend. And then he went and got his country to a semi and a final, positive trend… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: And then he went and got his country to a semi and a final, positive trend… Completely agree. But using Southgate’s time at the Beasts as a barometer carries limited relevance. Massimo Maccarone isn’t Harry Kane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: Completely agree. But using Southgate’s time at the Beasts as a barometer carries limited relevance. Massimo Maccarone isn’t Harry Kane. The beasts ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Completely agree. But using Southgate’s time at the Beasts as a barometer carries limited relevance. Massimo Maccarone isn’t Harry Kane. He had a very good record with England under 21s and has only lost 12 times with the senior team. I think he’s probably better suited to international football and I imagine when he leaves England he will end up as some academy director or in charge of the whole England set up behind the scenes. He’s not a bad manager or coach, he’s just not elite and that’s the problem really as not many are, Mancini is and they won the Euros but failed to qualify for the WC and were beaten 5-2 by a Germany side we drew with recently and beat at the Euros. It’s very thin margins in international football. I don’t think success is guaranteed even if you have the best players and best manager. It’s about progress for me and under Southgate we’ve made massive strides and for me personally given that during the Ashley era I practically gave up on football and fell out of love with the game, England under Southgate become my footy fix so I’ll always regard him in high esteem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: He had a very good record with England under 21s and has only lost 12 times with the senior team. I think he’s probably better suited to international football and I imagine when he leaves England he will end up as some academy director or in charge of the whole England set up behind the scenes. He’s not a bad manager or coach, he’s just not elite and that’s the problem really as not many are, Mancini is and they won the Euros but failed to qualify for the WC and were beaten 5-2 by a Germany side we drew with recently and beat at the Euros. It’s very thin margins in international football. I don’t think success is guaranteed even if you have the best players and best manager. It’s about progress for me and under Southgate we’ve made massive strides and for me personally given that during the Ashley era I practically gave up on football and fell out of love with the game, England under Southgate become my footy fix so I’ll always regard him in high esteem. Fair enough, I’ve got nothing against him and was desperate for SBR to sign him as a player. Enjoyed the WC and Euros runs but Italy in the final felt like watching a re-run of the Croatia game so started to suspect some capability limitations at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, Nucasol said: Fair enough, I’ve got nothing against him and was desperate for SBR to sign him as a player. Enjoyed the WC and Euros runs but Italy in the final felt like watching a re-run of the Croatia game so started to suspect some capability limitations at that point. Aye he was a very good player in his day and yes that final, we lacked balls I’d say in that we could have killed them off. He’s too conservative and needs to change that somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, AJ9 said: The beasts ? I’ve not heard them referred to that since the early 2000s which I think we regularly did back then. The mackems were called the unwashed I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, HTT II said: Aye he was a very good player in his day and yes that final, we lacked balls I’d say in that we could have killed them off. He’s too conservative and needs to change that somehow. I wouldn't hold my breath based on the link below ... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jun/15/englands-drubbing-by-hungary-shows-risk-of-over-attacking-warns-southgate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, AJ9 said: So much of the Southgate hate is from our knuckle dragged fans that don’t like how “woke” he is or whatever, and though I would always defend the job he’s done to date, questions do need ti be asked. However, he’s going nowhere till after the World Cup. We don’t have a defence capable of winning it and there are a number of very strong teams out there so I don’t really get what people want. We’re still technically quite far behind other countries iyam. I completely agree that's where the bile comes from - personally, I just think he's an inoffensive but thoroughly mediocre manager. I like the fact he isn't a Allardyce-style wanker, and I think he's a positive force for good with his statements on issues like racism etc. Just think he's a bit crap at football management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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