Who thinks appointing Roeder was the right decision

[Guest nufc 4 life]

I voted yes.

 

Of the possible options that was the choice for me. I didn't (and don't) want O'Neill, wanted to see Souness gone, and don't think that "anyone else" is a better choice than Roeder. Is Steve Bruce a better choice? No.

 

Roeder did reasonably well last season. The team has showed improvement this season after a dreadful start-- they lost games in which they outplayed the opposition, and I am happy with his acquistions (Martins and Duff, addressing the lack of pace) and the fact that he didn't spend stupid money on SPL players.

 

My attitude will change drastically if he fails to buy some decent defenders in the January window.

 

SPL players? and yes duff and martins were both very good signings baring in mind when duff went to chelsea he cost 18 mil we got him for 5 so thats a great coup any manger would of had him for that price and 15 mil is 5mil less than souness spent on boumsong and luque hmmm whats the better piece of business there

 

What's your argument?

 

I am happy that Roder did not buy a Boumsong or Luque. The deals for Martins and Duff were good things. I pray he can do as well in January.

 

there was no argument i just wanted to know what SPL players were lol i was agreeing with you though and if he doesn't do well in january well there won't be many happy people on tyneside

[Guest nufc 4 life]

looks like things are swiniging in favour of MON, but im gald to see almost as many people thinking that it was the right decision to keep GR

[Howaythelads]

i agree with what you have said about Roeder like i said i do quite like him and think he has done 10 times better than Souness without as many resource i.e 50 mil, but MON is like taylor said in a different class who does Dave Jones manage was he eben in the mix for the job and lower league managers there is no way of noing if theyre up 4 the job

 

David Jones manages Cardiff. He somehow managed to throw away consiradable lead in Championship though, and his team has slipped to 4th or 5th now.

 

He is a good safe bet for any team wanting to advance into Premiership and he wouldn't be good enough for the high expectations of Newcastle United.

 

So now it's the managers fault? I thought these things were down to the Chairman and Board?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest nufc 4 life]

didnt get that one lmao  :confused: 

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

It's too early to say really (for Roeder and O'Neill). Our bad start will have turned many against Roeder but our recent improvement in results and our good results in the UEFA cup will have won some back.  I would say our squad is better than Aston Villa's but we have coped well with our injuries. Martin O'Neill has turned Aston Villa into draw specialists. He's got some good performances out of Angel but Roeder has done the same with Sibierski who most of us thought would be rotten. We'll see how both managers do in the transfer window. Also, were only 3 points behind Aston Villa after their reasonable start and our poor start to the season.

[Dokko]

It's too early to say really (for Roeder and O'Neill). Our bad start will have turned many against Roeder but our recent improvement in results and our good results in the UEFA cup will have won some back.  I would say our squad is better than Aston Villa's but we have coped well with our injuries. Martin O'Neill has turned Aston Villa into draw specialists. He's got some good performances out of Angel but Roeder has done the same with Sibierski who most of us thought would be rotten. We'll see how both managers do in the transfer window. Also, were only 3 points behind Aston Villa after their reasonable start and our poor start to the season.

 

We beat Spurs were on the same points as Villa & 3 behind Tottenham themselves, not so bad considering the start and current injuries.

 

Also Villa have Manu at home this weekend (IIRC) so catch up is on the cards hopefully 

[Guest nufc 4 life]

It's too early to say really (for Roeder and O'Neill). Our bad start will have turned many against Roeder but our recent improvement in results and our good results in the UEFA cup will have won some back. I would say our squad is better than Aston Villa's but we have coped well with our injuries. Martin O'Neill has turned Aston Villa into draw specialists. He's got some good performances out of Angel but Roeder has done the same with Sibierski who most of us thought would be rotten. We'll see how both managers do in the transfer window. Also, were only 3 points behind Aston Villa after their reasonable start and our poor start to the season.

 

We beat Spurs were on the same points as Villa & 3 behind Tottenham themselves, not so bad considering the start and current injuries.

 

Also Villa have Manu at home this weekend (IIRC) so catch up is on the cards hopefully

 

we have them new years day though

[Dokko]

It's too early to say really (for Roeder and O'Neill). Our bad start will have turned many against Roeder but our recent improvement in results and our good results in the UEFA cup will have won some back. I would say our squad is better than Aston Villa's but we have coped well with our injuries. Martin O'Neill has turned Aston Villa into draw specialists. He's got some good performances out of Angel but Roeder has done the same with Sibierski who most of us thought would be rotten. We'll see how both managers do in the transfer window. Also, were only 3 points behind Aston Villa after their reasonable start and our poor start to the season.

 

We beat Spurs were on the same points as Villa & 3 behind Tottenham themselves, not so bad considering the start and current injuries.

 

Also Villa have Manu at home this weekend (IIRC) so catch up is on the cards hopefully

 

we have them new years day though

 

Aye but thats next year man!

[Guest nufc 4 life]

It's too early to say really (for Roeder and O'Neill). Our bad start will have turned many against Roeder but our recent improvement in results and our good results in the UEFA cup will have won some back. I would say our squad is better than Aston Villa's but we have coped well with our injuries. Martin O'Neill has turned Aston Villa into draw specialists. He's got some good performances out of Angel but Roeder has done the same with Sibierski who most of us thought would be rotten. We'll see how both managers do in the transfer window. Also, were only 3 points behind Aston Villa after their reasonable start and our poor start to the season.

 

We beat Spurs were on the same points as Villa & 3 behind Tottenham themselves, not so bad considering the start and current injuries.

 

Also Villa have Manu at home this weekend (IIRC) so catch up is on the cards hopefully

 

we have them new years day though

 

Aye but thats next year man!

 

lmao but is it

[Nobby]

martin o'neill tokk the job but went back on his decision when told he could not bring his own staff

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

what no Hitzfeld option  blueconfused.gif

[Dokko]

martin o'neill tokk the job but went back on his decision when told he could not bring his own staff

 

Aye, there wasn't enough room for them here, too many cooks etc... :roll:

[merlin]

Voted for O'Neill - he deserves the chance to run a club in the Prem with NUFC's potential and his record at previous clubs is very good.

Has had the best of all mentors in Clough, will have learnt a great deal from him(O'Neill is an intelligent & thoughtful man), but also wears his heart on his sleeve when it comes to passion for his club - in other words, he is like KK with more depth to his knowledge of the game & tactics.

Has a proven system using the same coaches which has worked wherever he has been.

Those  who were around in the 60s will remember how Bill Shankly had a similar record to O'Neill before he went to Liverpool, except that Shanks never managed a big club like Celtic first.Shanks was basically unproven at top level, but took Liverpool from 2nd Div to a dynasty lasting 20 years.

O'Neill has done a steady, but not spectacular , job at Villa, but these are very early days for a club which was struggling.Once he has been able to buy the players he wants and bed them in, I am willing to bet they will be in the top 5 - whether NUFC are there too remains to be seen - there will be many changes once the takeover goes through, but I cannot see Roeder surviving as Manager long-term.

He has done well enough so far, but the better results have come about mainly because of team-changes forced on him. The issue with Parker & Butt will tell us a great deal, as will the dealing with Bramble.My feeling is that O'Neill would play the players best suited to his system - REGARDLESS of who they were.

Everyone has a right to an opinion about this, and whilst O'Neill may not be the BEST manager about, he was the best that NUFC could have got in the last year, and maybe even the best one suited to the club.

We will now have to go with whats in place & see what the new owners do.

[Tachikoma]

Didn't even want Roeder to be caretaker, but after the job he did, I thought he might do a half-decent job as permanent manager. However even then he was never my first choice.

[buzza]

Aye , wasn't first choice but seems to have the right sentiment and within a year or two we could have a team to be reckoned with.

Pity he doesn't have the luxuries afforded to Souness...

 

[Guest nufc 4 life]

Aye , wasn't first choice but seems to have the right sentiment and within a year or two we could have a team to be reckoned with.

Pity he doesn't have the luxuries afforded to Souness...

 

 

It is very annoying that someone like Souness who had just joined us from putting Blackburn into relegation troubles (why did they ever appoint him to be manager) gets 50 mil wheras someone like GR who has proven that he is alright at handling transfers i.e duff martins for 15 mil less than what souness payed for Luque and Boumsong gets hardly anything in comparison to the 50mil that Souness got, but either way he hasn't moaned even with all the injuries we've had so yes in a couple of years we may be a team to contend with especially if we get a decent takeover were most of the debt is sorted out and the transfer budget is raised, i hope we don't piss about with managers like we have done in the last few years though we changed them way too quickly and the start of out problems can really be looked back too when Sir Bobby Robson left the club after getting us to 3rd 4th and 5th for 3 seasons, but lets just wait and see.

[vicente_14]

I was more than happy with what Roeder did in his role as caretaker, and he deserved thanks/praise for that, but I didn't think he was the right choice for the job. Whilst I don't think it was the correct decision to appoint him, I will back him whilst he is the manager. I'm unsure about his transfer dealings, was thrilled to get Martins, but have never rated Duff and didn't think we needed him. At the same time, he is doing a fair job of getting some of the dead wood out of the squad, Bowyer, Faye, Boumsong. I hear people question his man-management, but he has the likes of Butt, Sibierski & Ameobi(when fit) playing above expectation, so his treatment of Luque aside, those judgements seem unfair. On that issue, Luque's non selection, is surely down to his attitude, no manager would delibrately not slect a player if he thought he could achieve something for the team. Even in Spain, Luque is at best average so I don't understand those that are in love with him! Roeder has the club in his heart and I've no doubt he is trying his best, my concern is that his best isn't quite good enough. I don't really think there were too many great alternatives to Roeder, I didn't want Martin O'Neill, his teams play awful football, don't get the whole jizzfest about Curbishley, and as we have proven in the past, big names(Gullit, Dalgleish) don't always deliver.  So for me, until a better alternative becomes available, I will keep backing Roeder.

[Superior Acuña]

I really think we'd have appointed M'On if he wanted to come, thus i dont think he wanted to come.  So i think people should stop dwelling on that.

[Northern Monkey]

Roeder is not a good enough manager, but he's not as bad as Souness, in fairness.

[Guest Upton Left]

Hello again people. Your friendly neighbourhood Hammer here.

 

Some very interesting points on this thread. As you know, I'm not a big fan of Roeder as a manager (ahem). His record very much speaks for itself.

 

He seems to do very well at the beginning of his time as a manager (as most managers do) but as he gets things working his way, gets his own players in etc. it all starts to go wrong and he never seems capable of turning that round. Now that turnaround may well happen with you lot as you will get some quality players back from injury and that could well do it for you. However, I think it is safe to say that if you get taken over, Glenn will be gone as fast as Alan v.1.0

 

You'll no douobt have spotted my work over on the official site too so don't say I never do anything for you!

[UV]

I really think we'd have appointed M'On if he wanted to come, thus i dont think he wanted to come.  So i think people should stop dwelling on that.

 

Succinct & correct.

[Guest shaun11177]

Personally didnt want Roeder but although we dont know for certain who else wanted the job i dont think anyone was desperate to be our Manager.Allardyce and O'Neill wanted England only it seemed to me.

I like Strachan sure the Scottish lge isnt great but he has done the business in Europe and therefore is no mug.

[Delima]

i agree with what you have said about Roeder like i said i do quite like him and think he has done 10 times better than Souness without as many resource i.e 50 mil, but MON is like taylor said in a different class who does Dave Jones manage was he eben in the mix for the job and lower league managers there is no way of noing if theyre up 4 the job

 

David Jones manages Cardiff. He somehow managed to throw away consiradable lead in Championship though, and his team has slipped to 4th or 5th now.

 

He is a good safe bet for any team wanting to advance into Premiership and he wouldn't be good enough for the high expectations of Newcastle United.

 

So now it's the managers fault? I thought these things were down to the Chairman and Board?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Delima]

The small squad again really isn't his fault. Tight owner to blame for that. DJ went for quality over quantity, but in the Championship to stay at the top you need both.

 

4-5 decent signings in the window (maybe 2-3 loan), and promotion is a realistic possibility for the club.

 

The club having 20 odds days before it ceases trading unless Ridsdale & Hamman can come to an agreement is not doing the club any favours, must be a right fuking nightmare given your all for a club so uncertain of its future, DJ has to motivate himself, then his players and try and keep the fans happy. Tough job he's doing at the mo.

 

Still no better than what we've got though.

 

As you say they need both quality and quantity. Not discounting what David Jones have achieved with Cardiff, but in my opinion he could really got a few more players to compensate potential injuries. Loans, bosmans, etc. Steve Bruce was right to say that he lost more than 10 players this season, but he recover the number with some astute loan Arsenal players. Billy Davies also got Lupoli and Jones from Arsenal and Manchester United. I know that Cardiff got Gillbert but now it is evident that it is not enough.

 

David Jones is a man of considerable reputation and experience, so he should have handled the situation better.

 

Many managers in championship, apart from Bruce and Parkinson, operate on tight budget. In my opinion Billy Davies has done a better job than him in Derby. Alongside Paul Simpson, I would love to see how they would fare in Premiership with bigger budget.