KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Fair enough Kaka, looks like some of this has been mutual misunderstanding - but I’d still ask you to rethink the notions of English people generally not wanting black players in the England side. There are racists in England and racists in the press - but that doesn’t account for everyone Yeah. Lets just leave it here, because it appears I'm just not doing a good job of getting my point across. I would say this though, if you have any really good friends that are black and that you can really speak freely with. Just ask them what their thoughts are on what I said, I think you might be a bit saddened by what you hear from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Listened to maybe the second or third most recent one the other day. “I can’t wait to ruin a child” was said in the opening ten mins or so. Had me creased. “I can’t wait to ruin a child……send him off to war for the resources man” Nick talking about how he'd be a deadbeat dad over years is a classic. You should start from the beginning now, go on the full journey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 First time I've been in this thread. Saw one of the wildest takes on the internet. Is that par for the course or just some Friday night hijinks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Eh. I thought Kaka was English My family is Nigerian. I'm from the land of Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Nick talking about how he'd be a deadbeat dad over years is a classic. You should start from the beginning now, go on the full journey I should aye. When i cba to talk to anyone at work I just have a quick scroll down and see whatever episode I land on and play that. Was absolutely buzzing with your recommendation of cumtown. Then absolutely gutted when you told me two posts later the pod was finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: My family is Nigerian. I'm from the land of Ameobi. Mad. I just assumed you were some young lad from the north east. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, MrRaspberryJam said: Mad. I just assumed you were some young lad from the north east. Ha! That's funny actually. Been on here too long it's rubbed off on me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, Smal said: it's correct to challenge it and I'd disagree with what he said and especially how he said it; but at the same I can also completely understand why KaKa might be extremely weary and suspicious of white English folk, like . We do not have the best history with this kind of thing. We don’t and you’re right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, KaKa said: Ha! That's funny actually. Been on here too long it's rubbed off on me! I’d have preferred it if you had said you were from the land of Taribo West. A real 90s throwback Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: I should aye. When i cba to talk to anyone at work I just have a quick scroll down and see whatever episode I land on and play that. Was absolutely buzzing with your recommendation of cumtown. Then absolutely gutted when you told me two posts later the pod was finished. I think there's about 1000 hours of episodes, you'll be fine. Nick and Adam are possibly going back to a podcast format for TAFS as well which sounds like non-Stav episodes of CT. Honestly buzzing for you to go through them, you have so much laughter to look forward to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: I think there's about 1000 hours of episodes, you'll be fine. Nick and Adam are possibly going back to a podcast format for TAFS as well which sounds like non-Stav episodes of CT. Honestly buzzing for you to go through them, you have so much laughter to look forward to. I’ll make a start on Monday. I had one on the other night whilst I was painting the spare room with the window open. No idea if next door who were in the back garden having a bbq could hear or not, I hope they did. They were going on about Emily blunts tits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: I’d have preferred it if you had said you were from the land of Taribo West. A real 90s throwback Lets settle on Sunday Oliseh then. Another 90s legend, and one of my favourites from our golden era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Lets settle on Sunday Oliseh then. Another 90s legend, and one of my favourites from our golden era. ibrahima bakayoko, finidi George, babangida and amunike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Loved a bit of Tijani Babangida myself, always had a thing for direct pacy wingers in the Overmars mould Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said: He's suggested that most England fans don't want black players playing for the country. I'm not sure how much more explicitly you could get to calling people racist. "I'm not racist, but I don't like it when black players play for England" sounds like a parody RTG post. Ok. My context is the US. I heard too many people -- white people (especially of my parents) generation manifest this contraction. When they deny that the are a racist, they are denying that thay ideological racists. They are not racists by conviction. So in that sense, they are not racists. But they are racists in their attitudes and language and many other ways -- but they haven't had to think about racism because it has never had any effect in them. They completely unaware if their own racism. And the don't want or can't be bothered to think about it. (not joining the klan is enough for them to absolve themselves ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: ibrahima bakayoko, finidi George, babangida and amunike. Besties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, LionOfGosforth said: Besties Trying to think of the legend from champ man 01/02 but my minds gone blank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 55 minutes ago, KaKa said: No. If I wanted to call you all racists I would have said exactly that. You guys throw that stuff around at each other all the time on here. I said I don't believe most England fans want black players playing for them. I'm not an idiot man. I have been out watching games numerous times among fans. I know the kinds of things I have seen and heard, and no I do not think it is just a case of them being racist. You lot use that term way too loosely and flippantly. I believe there is some tribal element also involved in regard to international representation as well. I was talking about African and South American players going elsewhere originally and not the world's best players, which is why I then drew the correlation on what you said in response to my post, when you then spoke of tribalism. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that. so is it “you guys” or “most England fans”? For the record my vote is for black players to play for England. Only the good ones though. Yeah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Trying to think of the legend from champ man 01/02 but my minds gone blank. What position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, KaKa said: What position? it was julius aghahowa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: it was julius aghahowa! Unreal pace, but never really reached his potential, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: Unreal pace, but never really reached his potential, unfortunately. not mean players who get coached by Paul Jewell at Wigan Atheltic do reach their potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Shearergol said: It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that. so is it “you guys” or “most England fans”? For the record my vote is for black players to play for England. Only the good ones though. Yeah? For the record I think it's fine if 'you guys' or 'most England fans', whichever you prefer, don't want us to play for England. My national team would actually benefit massively from that. You'll see from my original post with that quote that I didn't give the poster grief for the idea, when I mistakenly thought he was referencing my point on African and South American players taking another option. This was never supposed to be an argument about racism, but I know it's a topic that gets people really excited, but I've done my best to make my point clearer. Apparently it's not enough for you, so I won't bother responding to you anymore because you clearly just want to continue to argue about this. Edited June 30, 2023 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Except you can criticise because you’re a human being who cares about what happens to other human beings. Empathy and all that. The ignorance of many is truly fucking frightening to me. ‘KSA is no worse than anywhere else’. There’s an easy test for this - go out onto the streets of London and start a protest against the government. Then do the same in Riyadh. I’d say come back and let me know the results, but the second one would see you executed. Your response doesn't really seem at all appropriate to what I wrote as I didn't state at any point that it shouldn't be criticised? Nor did the person I was quoting. You've also made up a quote that I didn't write or even imply which seems odd when directly replying to my post so not sure if you misread my message, misquoted it or just went off on a tangent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Except you can criticise because you’re a human being who cares about what happens to other human beings. Empathy and all that. The ignorance of many is truly fucking frightening to me. ‘KSA is no worse than anywhere else’. There’s an easy test for this - go out onto the streets of London and start a protest against the government. Then do the same in Riyadh. I’d say come back and let me know the results, but the second one would see you executed. Your response doesn't really seem at all appropriate to what I wrote as I didn't state at any point that it shouldn't be criticised? Nor did the person I was quoting. You've also made up a quote that I didn't write or even imply which seems odd when directly replying to my post so not sure if you misread my message, misquoted it or just went off on a tangent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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