Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

If we finish 17th next season I'll 100% be calling for the managers sacking!

Well sure, but you can’t really finish 17th without having a terrible season and performing badly. That’s the real reason for the sacking in that case. 
 

The point is something like Europe vs one position out of Europe and stuff like that. 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Well sure, but you can’t really finish 17th without having a terrible season and performing badly. That’s the real reason for the sacking in that case. 
 

The point is something like Europe vs one position out of Europe and stuff like that. 

 

We've had a terrible season and performed badly just gone. We were one of the worst teams in the league (we've all seen the stats) and very lucky it wasn't even worse, but you aren't for sacking the manager. I really don't know how much worse we need to play before people accept the manager needs to go.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Dokko said:

We've had a terrible season and performed badly just gone. We were one of the worst teams in the league (we've all seen the stats) and very lucky it wasn't even worse, but you aren't for sacking the manager. I really don't know how much worse we need to play before people accept the manager needs to go.

Hopefully we’ll never find out. 

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

We've had a terrible season and performed badly just gone. We were one of the worst teams in the league (we've all seen the stats) and very lucky it wasn't even worse, but you aren't for sacking the manager. I really don't know how much worse we need to play before people accept the manager needs to go.

 

I'm probably around 70/30 in favour of wanting him gone but can still see the argument for giving him next season. It just boils down to whether or not people have the confidence that he's able to turn it around or not. Also the Cup win has an emotional sway on people. Basically I'm 70/30 that I think the decline has set in and he won't be able to turn it around but there's still that part of me who thinks he might which is why I still understand why people want him to stay.

 

Another big factor is that my first 2 choices to replace him would have been Alonso and Iraola but they are now both in new jobs. After those 2 my next choice would have been Glasner and it looks like he's off to Milan so I'm scratching my head now as to who his replacement would be.

[STM]

My expectation for Howe is to get us top 7. 

 

Finishing where we did this year was disappointing but with quite a fair bit of mitigation, there wont be any mitigation next season and as someone who adores Howe, im prepared to accept that.

 

If however he finishes 8th, in europe and wins a domestic cup, that will become a head scratcher because while winning a trophy is pretty much all I've ever wanted for this club, league position is the biggest indicator for direction of travel and another season of not being top 7 feels somewhat unacceptable.

 

Also, I get there is the "big six" + Villa, which essentially says i expect us to finish above at least one of those sides, however one or more of those sides are always in crisis because of their expectations (i.e they cant all finish in the top 4, therefore someone is failing), therefore by extension i suspect one or more of those sides to be vulnerable.

 

Im fairly confident we will finish top 7, but it requires positive momentum, which means a good start, or certainly not a bad one.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by STM

[r0cafella]

11 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

If we finish 17th next season I'll 100% be calling for the managers sacking!

If we are adrift of Europe at any point it's time for a change tbh. 

[STM]

7 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

We've had a terrible season and performed badly just gone. We were one of the worst teams in the league (we've all seen the stats) and very lucky it wasn't even worse, but you aren't for sacking the manager. I really don't know how much worse we need to play before people accept the manager needs to go.

 

Why sack a good manager? Shouldn't we at least give the good managers a chance? 

[Dokko]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm probably around 70/30 in favour of wanting him gone but can still see the argument for giving him next season. It just boils down to whether or not people have the confidence that he's able to turn it around or not. Also the Cup win has an emotional sway on people. Basically I'm 70/30 that I think the decline has set in and he won't be able to turn it around but there's still that part of me who thinks he might which is why I still understand why people want him to stay.

 

Another big factor is that my first 2 choices to replace him would have been Alonso and Iraola but they are now both in new jobs. After those 2 my next choice would have been Glasner and it looks like he's off to Milan so I'm scratching my head now as to who his replacement would be.

 

I'm about the same. The realistic candidates who'd be a step up are gone, so no point even thinking about it now. I do worry its more of the same and we're another £100-150m deep into the same tactical blackhole and another managfer has an even bigger job on to turn it around. Keeping him to only sack him by 2027 is my worst scenario in this. I don't believe he deserves it by default because of a cup win. This is very small time, neither because he's a good guy. Its a results business and you're only as good as your last game, and when you've had a season of utter shite, its hard to see where and how it turns around. 

 

One thing is for absolute certain, he can't be allowed to recruit, it has to be the club structure and not on him. 

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Why sack a good manager? Shouldn't we at least give the good managers a chance? 

 

We've given him a chance all season. Elanga was written off after 5 games, same with Wissa, but were excellent the season before. Manager though, seems to get an indefinate extension with goalposts moved and new excuses found to justify keeping him. The cup win is the only reason he's in a job, let's be honest. That's sentiment, which gets you nowhere in football.

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Why sack a good manager? Shouldn't we at least give the good managers a chance? 

 

Last season was his chance tbf. Ambitious clubs shouldn't tolerate 2 seasons in a row of bottom half finishes*. If next season is more of the same he could have no complaints if he's sacked.

 

*I'd gladly accept another 12th placed finish and winning the FA Cup.

[STM]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

We've given him a chance all season. Elanga was written off after 5 games, same with Wissa, but were excellent the season before. Manager though, seems to get an indefinate extension with goalposts moved and new excuses found to justify keeping him. The cup win is the only reason he's in a job, let's be honest. That's sentiment, which gets you nowhere in football.

 

So weve had a poor season, so he should be sacked? 

 

Its weird how you dismiss winning a cup, like its not a thing we should be sentimental attached to. Its also ridiculous to suggest that's Howes only achievement.

 

Eddie Howe has given me more highs as a Newcastle fan than any other manager in my lifetime. I went to my first game in 94.

 

CL footy, big wins, big moments, big scalps, great footballers, a side and group of players to be proud of.

 

Elanga isnt a good footballer. Im not really interested in his stats from the previous year, in the same way that im not interested in Murphys stats from that year. Sometimes the eye test is better. Poor recruitment is the crime.

 

Wissa, the injury has killed him.

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Last season was his chance tbf. Ambitious clubs shouldn't tolerate 2 seasons in a row of bottom half finishes*. If next season is more of the same he could have no complaints if he's sacked.

 

*I'd gladly accept another 12th placed finish and winning the FA Cup.

 

That's it. Last season was just that and we move on with him or without him. There is simply no more excuses. He doesn't deliver, he goes. Fingers crossed for everyone concerned he's back to his best instead of the defeated, washed & worn out figure we've seen on the sidelines these last few months. Hopefully he's away on 2 or 3 holidays without his phone enjoying life and the club can only talk to him through his wife!  A big reset like that maybe just what he needs. God knows a 2 week summer holiday gets us all back on track with our worklife, and we know last summer he was doing 4 jobs at once and the club let him down massively.

[Monters]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Last season was his chance tbf. Ambitious clubs shouldn't tolerate 2 seasons in a row of bottom half finishes*. If next season is more of the same he could have no complaints if he's sacked.

 

*I'd gladly accept another 12th placed finish and winning the FA Cup.

Can’t argue with any of that, to be honest I think he would walk if it looked like we were finishing 12th and out of the cups. 

[STM]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Last season was his chance tbf. Ambitious clubs shouldn't tolerate 2 seasons in a row of bottom half finishes*. If next season is more of the same he could have no complaints if he's sacked.

 

*I'd gladly accept another 12th placed finish and winning the FA Cup.

 

I think we are in agreement then. He deserves this chance.

 

Lets say he gets us CL this season, does that reset your confidence, or will you want him sacked if the following year we fall short? Thats not a loaded question by the way, genuinely interested.

 

I actually disagree with the 12th and FA cup sentiment. In many ways, that would be the perfect junction to part ways. Obviously would be buzzing for the cup.

 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

So weve had a poor season, so he should be sacked? 

 

Its weird how you dismiss winning a cup, like its not a thing we should be sentimental attached to. Its also ridiculous to suggest that's Howes only achievement.

 

Eddie Howe has given me more highs as a Newcastle fan than any other manager in my lifetime. I went to my first game in 94.

 

CL footy, big wins, big moments, big scalps, great footballers, a side and group of players to be proud of.

 

Elanga isnt a good footballer. Im not really interested in his stats from the previous year, in the same way that im not interested in Murphys stats from that year. Sometimes the eye test is better. Poor recruitment is the crime.

 

Wissa, the injury has killed him.

 

I accept whatever decision the club made on his future. My personal opinion was he should go and we move on, but also accept the stick and go again. I do worry though as i said about him going before christmas and we've done ourselves over for the 2nd season in a row, and how difficult it is to come back from that. You can claim eye test and point to recruitment, and i can claim eye test and the manager. Both are to blame.

[STM]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

That's it. Last season was just that and we move on with him or without him. There is simply no more excuses. He doesn't deliver, he goes. Fingers crossed for everyone concerned he's back to his best instead of the defeated, washed & worn out figure we've seen on the sidelines these last few months. Hopefully he's away on 2 or 3 holidays without his phone enjoying life and the club can only talk to him through his wife!  A big reset like that maybe just what he needs. God knows a 2 week summer holiday gets us all back on track with our worklife, and we know last summer he was doing 4 jobs at once and the club let him down massively.

 

You've just changed your tune in two posts. You wanted him sacked a second ago. Now you are saying this is his last chance?

[STM]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

I accept whatever decision the club made on his future. My personal opinion was he should go and we move on, but also accept the stick and go again. I do worry though as i said about him going before christmas and we've done ourselves over for the 2nd season in a row, and how difficult it is to come back from that. You can claim eye test and point to recruitment, and i can claim eye test and the manager. Both are to blame.

 

So if we have a good season, you will accept you were wrong?

 

(I will happily admit being wrong if we start poor and he gets sacked FWIW)

 

Also, sacking a manager into the season isnt the death of a season, provided you get the next move right. Look at Man United.

 

Theres genuinely people who think Carrick is a better manager than Howe by the way, which blows my mind.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

I think we are in agreement then. He deserves this chance.

 

Lets say he gets us CL this season, does that reset your confidence, or will you want him sacked if the following year we fall short? Thats not a loaded question by the way, genuinely interested.

 

I actually disagree with the 12th and FA cup sentiment. In many ways, that would be the perfect junction to part ways. Obviously would be buzzing for the cup.

 

 

Buzz. That's gone. Killed. I'll take any league position or cup runs (not even wins) as long as the club feels like its moving forward and we feel the buzz. CL is not important to me. I even said this time last year i'd be happy with Europa as its a winnable competition and easier to manage rotation. I was ridiculed and told our best players would leave. Best player still left and we didn't manage the season well at all. I wonder if we did swap with Villa in European competitions we'd still have that buzz, and whether we also could have won it. That's priceless. CL will never give us that in the next decade of attempts.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

So if we have a good season, you will accept you were wrong?

 

(I will happily admit being wrong if we start poor and he gets sacked FWIW)

 

Also, sacking a manager into the season isnt the death of a season, provided you get the next move right. Look at Man United.

 

Theres genuinely people who think Carrick is a better manager than Howe by the way, which blows my mind.

 

Unlike a lot on here, I can accept when I'm wrong. Football is all about opinions, they can be wrong, it's fine. 

 

I don't trust the club to be able to sack a manager mid season and get it right. They need stupid amounts of time to move.

 

Carrick will be gone by the end of the season. This was always going to happen (him doing well enough to stay on) but its not going to last, just like at Boro.

[Optimistic Nut]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

All of us Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Man U, Villa and Spurs should be aiming for top 6. We all can’t get it. 
 

The extra games for most of the traditional mid pack should be a killer for them.  Expect them all to finish bottom half 

 

Spurs & Chelsea not being in Europe is a bit of a pain. Could have done with us having a free season while they toiled in the Europa League for a season. 

[STM]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

Buzz. That's gone. Killed. I'll take any league position or cup runs (not even wins) as long as the club feels like its moving forward and we feel the buzz. CL is not important to me. I even said this time last year i'd be happy with Europa as its a winnable competition and easier to manage rotation. I was ridiculed and told our best players would leave. Best player still left and we didn't manage the season well at all. I wonder if we did swap with Villa in European competitions we'd still have that buzz, and whether we also could have won it. That's priceless. CL will never give us that in the next decade of attempts.

 

In fairness, i sort of agree about the Europa. I think it has been discussed in the past that a Europa run would have been a better outcome because of the strains of CL.

 

However, as a club you have to strive to be the absolute best we can possibly be. You can't aim for Europa league, you get Europa league if you fall short.

[Dokko]

6 minutes ago, STM said:

 

You've just changed your tune in two posts. You wanted him sacked a second ago. Now you are saying this is his last chance?

 

No, I wanted him gone, but accept he stays and got to get on with it. No point harping back. The time was final game of the season, it's gone now, so we've got to move forward with him. People who have said he stays at all costs need to accept this has got to be the last chance, even then, a sacking before xmas would mean 2 derailed seasons, and they'll need to accept how far backwards we've gone.

[STM]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

Unlike a lot on here, I can accept when I'm wrong. Football is all about opinions, they can be wrong, it's fine. 

 

I don't trust the club to be able to sack a manager mid season and get it right. They need stupid amounts of time to move.

 

Carrick will be gone by the end of the season. This was always going to happen (him doing well enough to stay on) but its not going to last, just like at Boro.

 

I can understand your distrust of the speed of the decision making process, given some of the stuff from the past. However, weve only hired on manager under this ownership and it wasnt exactly a slow recruitment process and ultimately they came down to Emery and Howe, so they got it spot on.

 

Personally, if I was Hopkinson, id have an idea of where id like to go post Howe. In the same way you recruit the next best young striker, the same should happen with managers. We need to at least be aware of the manager market.

 

For example, id have no issues with the club pursuing Poch or Tuchel through back channels, even just to touch base, in case we need to act.

 

I just fundamentally believe Howe deserves this season to rectify the last.

[Monters]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

No, I wanted him gone, but accept he stays and got to get on with it. No point harping back. The time was final game of the season, it's gone now, so we've got to move forward with him. People who have said he stays at all costs need to accept this has got to be the last chance, even then, a sacking before xmas would mean 2 derailed seasons, and they'll need to accept how far backwards we've gone.

I wanted him to get this year but totally agree with the mid year sacking point. If the club had any doubts then the time to change was this summer. 

[Dokko]

Just now, STM said:

 

I can understand your distrust of the speed of the decision making process, given some of the stuff from the past. However, weve only hired on manager under this ownership and it wasnt exactly a slow recruitment process and ultimately they came down to Emery and Howe, so they got it spot on.

 

Personally, if I was Hopkinson, id have an idea of where id like to go post Howe. In the same way you recruit the next best young striker, the same should happen with managers. We need to at least be aware of the manager market.

 

For example, id have no issues with the club pursuing Poch or Tuchel through back channels, even just to touch base, in case we need to act.

 

I just fundamentally believe Howe deserves this season to rectify the last.

 

And I don't have a problem with people believing he deserves another season. Part of me does, just a bigger part of me thinks the time should have ended after the final whistle against Fulham. Club don't agree with me. Again, something I have to accept. 

 

If Amanda was still here, i'd believe more. tbf, the 'buzz' would probably still be here. This is what she brought, it's priceless.